Whats this then?

[barneyrubble]

I've bought a (very) broken Westfalia Joker '86 I've been having a root around it trying to find out whats what.
Theres lots that mean very little to me, but this random switch really has me confused - whats it for?

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I've found the english translated wesfalia manual but its not mentioned...

ADVthanksANCE

Matt

[AdrianC]

It's the Eber thermostat & switch. One way is fan only, t'other is fan and heat. The thermostat dial's missing.

Seems to be the very rare Australian-spec version, too...

[barneyrubble]

Blimey that was quick! Thanks - although not to sure I like the sound of very rare - I imagine getting hold of a replacement dial is going to hard. Anyone know of where to start the hunt?

Thanks again

Matt

[AdrianC]

although not to sure I like the sound of very rare

<whispers> It was a joke. It has "Eberspacher" moulded into it, but upside down...

Looking at it, it looks like the shaft of the knob might be broken off in the hole - is it?

[barneyrubble]

Doh! I am a dullard at times, didnt even spot that. I dont think the shaft is left in there but the van is not here for me to check at the moment. Looks like it is a usefull thing to have if I can source a new knob and using it works.

Matt "slow on the uptake" C

[California Dreamin]

Not exactly the same as mine but close.

Rocker switch:
pushed in to the right (Yellow) turns on the blow heating.....typically goes into a warm up cycle which on mine is about 45 seconds blowing cold then audibly the tone changes and you start to hear a clicking noise which is the fuel pump working. It takes a few minutes before the air then starts to blow warm.
Turning off puts the unit into a close down cycle......so continues to blow for a minute after turning off.

Pushed to the left: Cold air only

In the centre: Off

Dial is something like 0 - 8 ? I have mine on about 4 and it clicks in and out once it's upto temperature (on for say 3 - 4 minutes...off for 2 - 3 minutes, something like that).

Red LED illuminating: something has gone wrong...won't fire up or thermo cutout has operated.
Green LED illuminating: blower working normally
LED behind dial to show you what number it is set to.

Needs 11.7 volts to 'Start' the ebber....so you need a good leisure battery....often users start their engines to get the ebber to start (usually when the battery is tired)
The larger of the two bullet fuses (Red 16A) on the drivers door pillar operates the Ebber (the other fuse 8amp, is for the kitchen block)....the fuse needs to be clean and correctly tensioned in the holder (a common fault)

Hope this helps.

[barneyrubble]

Thats brilliant thanks, a really good explanation. I'll be honest I am having to learn a lot, I have no idea what I have bought, there are panels switchs, containers all over the place. All of this on a camper that at the moment doesnt even run. I have found where the leasure bettery should live but like the main battery it is missing. something else to add to my shopping list, along with this pesky missing dial.

Hopefully I can make it work, the missus will put up with most things - being cold is not one of them, so this could be a god send

Thanks again

[California Dreamin]

The kitchen block is interesting.....water level indicator, battery charge indicator (Red/Amber/Green) and the pre-heater (red LED) which you turn on for a couple of minutes before lighting the rings when the outside temperature approaches freezing (otherwise the LPG can spit and flare up).

Leisure battery under the drivers seat
Starter battery under the passenger seat
Split charge relay (for charging the leisure battery with engine running) next to the leisure battery, hand brake side)
Front screen wash top-up under the drivers feet (Carpet)
Brake fluid top-up under the instrument binnacle (pull it upwards from the rear (closest to the wind screen)
BBB (buzzing black box) mains battery charger (actually batteries as it charges both) under the left side as you kneel infront of the rock n roll seal. (1 amp internal fuse can blow on these or the thermo cut-out burns out...pennies to repair)
Two engine coolant tanks...one in the engine bay the other behind the number plate (depending on engine)
Note* extending Oil Filler Tube......give it a tug..lol.
Then there's the fridge & LPG tank......

Anything else you need just ask.

Martin

[peel567]

Just following this thread. I have a Westfalia T25 1990 LHD.

The engine battery is in the engine bay (I know because I had to jump start the van after the winter). Anyway, if I plug the mains hook up in for a while, obviously that will charge up the leisure battery, but does it also charge the engine battery?

thanks, dave

[AdrianC]

The engine battery is in the engine bay (I know because I had to jump start the van after the winter).

So it's a diesel.

Anyway, if I plug the mains hook up in for a while, obviously that will charge up the leisure battery, but does it also charge the engine battery?

If it's got the original Westfalia Buzzing Black Box, yes. If the charger's been changed, probably not.

One way to find out. Plug it in, and check the voltage at the starter battery terminals - if it's 12-anna-bit, no. If it's 14-anna-bit, yes.

Being a 1990 van, it'll be either an Atlantic or a California. If it's a Cali, it might not have had a leisure battery & charger from new - it was one of the things they stripped out when they downgraded from the Joker spec - instead, it was a 3,000DM option (as a package of Eber/charger/leisure), according to http://www.westfaliat3.info/html/westfa ... ornia.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[peel567]

Thanks for the reply.

You're right on both counts!

It's a diesel (1.6TD) California. Very straight and untouched so I think the charger, black box, leisure battery and Eberspacher heater have been there from new. Is the BBB the charger? I'll try to check the voltage at the engine battery as you suggest to confirm it's charging from the mains. Why 14V? Just to be a bit above 12?

If these were options then perhaps that explains a mystery I've never fathomed. Why on earth the strip lights inside run from the engine battery rather than the leisure battery.

thanks again, dave

[AdrianC]

Is the BBB the charger?

Yep.

Why 14V? Just to be a bit above 12?

Think of voltage as pressure. If the voltage from the charger/alternator is higher than that of the battery, then some electricity gets stored inside the battery. 14.4v is the optimum charging voltage for "12v" lead-acid batteries.

If these were options then perhaps that explains a mystery I've never fathomed. Why on earth the strip lights inside run from the engine battery rather than the leisure battery.

Nah, that's just bog standard Westy laziness. Basically, the cab interior lights (and radio) are part of the van wiring, and Westfalia only added to it, no modifications to what was originally there. There's a really easy change (in the Wiki) which'll move the lights/radio/clock to the leisure. Takes about ten minutes, can be undone in less than a minute, should you wish to.

[peel567]

One way to find out. Plug it in, and check the voltage at the starter battery terminals - if it's 12-anna-bit, no. If it's 14-anna-bit, yes.

I've just tried this out. 12.5V without hookup; 13.0V with. So I think it is charging although not sure what the lower than expected voltage means. Perhaps my old meter, or perhaps the old charger?

There's a really easy change (in the Wiki) which'll move the lights/radio/clock to the leisure. Takes about ten minutes, can be undone in less than a minute, should you wish to.

not this, surely?

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dave

[AdrianC]

One way to find out. Plug it in, and check the voltage at the starter battery terminals - if it's 12-anna-bit, no. If it's 14-anna-bit, yes.

I've just tried this out. 12.5V without hookup; 13.0V with. So I think it is charging although not sure what the lower than expected voltage means. Perhaps my old meter, or perhaps the old charger?

Sounds low. What are you seeing at the leisure battery?

There's a really easy change (in the Wiki) which'll move the lights/radio/clock to the leisure. Takes about ten minutes, can be undone in less than a minute, should you wish to.

not this, surely?

https://club8090.co.uk/wiki/Ca ... y_charging" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No, not that. <rummages> OK, can't find it - easier to retype...

Remove the radio/clock/int.lights fuse. (On mine, 3rd one in)
Run a wire from the +ve terminal of the leisure battery, VIA THE FUSE YOU REMOVED (holder can be made from two insulated female spade terminals), under the carpet to the fuse box, with a male spade on the end.
Plug that in to the lower terminal of that fuse.
Job jobbed.
To un-do, unplug the spade and move the fuse back.

Make sure you put the fuse holder as near the battery as possible - mine's just at the back of the seat swivel, reachable without moving anything. Make sure there's no bare wires or ends visible. Insulate everything with electrical tape. Make sure nothing's at risk of being nipped or chafing.

There's much scope for neatening, this is the bare minimum.

[peel567]

peel567 wrote:
One way to find out. Plug it in, and check the voltage at the starter battery terminals - if it's 12-anna-bit, no. If it's 14-anna-bit, yes.


I've just tried this out. 12.5V without hookup; 13.0V with. So I think it is charging although not sure what the lower than expected voltage means. Perhaps my old meter, or perhaps the old charger?


Sounds low. What are you seeing at the leisure battery?

Leisure battery 13.0V without hookup connected; 13.5 with.

Does this sound right?