Won't start after ht lead and dizzy cap change

[Bulldog1]

I'm an idiot ans can only apologise.



It turns out that I'm completely stupid and sorry if I've wasted anyone's time.

I hadn't understood exactly how the distributor works.

I followed the diagram in the Haynes that showed HT lead one going from cylinder one to port one on the dizzy cap.
Cylinder two going to port two on the dizzy cap etc, etc, etc

I was unaware that it has to obviously follow the firing order.

Eg ht lead one to port one
Lead from cylinder two to port 4
Lead from cylinder three to port 3
Lead cylinder four to port two


I was only aware of this when an old bloke from across the road said 'WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN BUGGERING ABOUT WITH FOR THREE DAYS'

I told him and he explained and fixed it in minutes. It now starts first time and runs great but a little rich.

Once again I apologise

[slowcoach]

Good news in the end then ! I only ever change one lead at a time

[Dad]

Love the old bloke!

[faggie]

at least you have learnt something and wont make that mistake again ,

[sarran1955]

Hello,

Firing order 1432..

rotor arm pointing to you as you crank the engine by hand.. notch on 0 degrees ..tdc..

If it backfires you may be 180 degrees out..

you won't be the first....

This might help

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkyBAMMHpa4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Cordialement,

Don't worry...its been done before..

Tippex,(or similar) is a wonderful product..

Little dots on your HT leads....

Cordialement,

[California Dreamin]

With the greatest of respects.....I'm a little less forgiving as my students do exactly the same thing.....I can hear myself saying 'read the effin question' and it is the reason why I stopped at the one reply as I could see where this was going.
Not a personal dig but we see this too often.

Simple as:



Martin

[Bulldog1]

Ok,

Fair enough, however I'm trying my best to learn how to do things.
I understand your frustration but surely you have made mistakes when trying to learn.

[BOXY]

Learning from mistakes isn't bad, not learning from them is.
I once spent quite a while trying to start my van with the rotor arm in my pocket

[California Dreamin]

Ok,
I understand your frustration but surely you have made mistakes when trying to learn.

Absolutely loads and will no doubt make many more...all I am saying is: when people are bending over backwards posting really good info, before replying with tried this and tried that.....take the time to properly read and digest the good info people are giving, because clearly if you had, it wouldn't have got to the old guy fixing it for you.

I'm saying this with tongue in cheek...certainly don't be put off, there is a wealth of experience on here but don't forget to use the WIKI in the first instance.

Martin

[ghost123uk]

Glad it is running now

I'm an idiot ans can only apologise. It turns out that I'm completely stupid and sorry if I've wasted anyone's time.

Awww, don't beat yourself up, like I mentioned above (where I also said your leads are on in the wrong order ) that I spent 2 days once (30+ years ago) with a similar issue on a Vauxhall Viva It was that very episode that taught me to only swap one lead at a time actually (as mentioned above by xxxx)

You learn summat every day

Next then is the possible running rich. Be careful here as twiddling things on the carb can screw up important settings such as emissions ( for mot's ). Note that the Peirburgh carb only has adjustments for mixture for tickover and slightly above. Anything above very low throttle openings is factory set with fixed jets and cannot drift out of adjustment.

What symptoms of richness do you have ? (ang on, you might be preferring to discuss this in another thread I guess )

[Bulldog1]

Ok,

After an embarrassing 24 hours I decided to re look at the van because I did check the WIKI prior to doing the work as I always do.

I did take on board the valuable information posted by members whom are kind enough to spare the time to post the required information.

I could not understand how I got a simple diagram so wrong and therefore most certainly understand the frustration of certain members.

Prior to posting this I've made certain that the information I'm about to post is correct.

My dizzy is 90 degrees wrong in an anti clockwise direction, therefore putting the leads on in the 'correct' formation didn't work.

Number one port on the distributor cap is actually at the top right, number two bottom right, number three, bottom left and number four top left.

I know that people will doubt this but it is true.

Will it cause problems with the dizzy being on wrong?

Any help appreciated and I promise to read it properly.

Thanks for your info on the 'running rich' ghost,

The spark plugs are very black, even the new ones after a ten mile run.

The old blogs were also very sooty.

Could this have anything to do with the carb being on incorrectly?

[Bulldog1]

I mean dizzy being on wrong!

[ghost123uk]

Ummm, 90 degrees out. Oh heck, the plot thickens. I am trying to figure out how that can happen. The "spigot" at the bottom of the dizzy has a rectangular drive peg that sits in a corresponding rectangular socket. (There is a picture of it in the Heynes manual). This means that you can only get it "correct" or, half a turn "wrong", ie, 180 degrees. If you try to put it 90 degrees "wrong" the peg won't go into the slot and the dizzy won't "seat down" and the "drive" won't engage.

Sample pic =



I have a nasty feeling you are going to have another "Doh" moment soon Unless someone can come up with a scenario where it could "work" 90 degrees out.

Whatever happens, don't worry about words on here, we are all mates and non of it is intended to cause upset or embarrassment. Remember it's a forum and on forums typed words can get misinterpreted (you cannot see the smiling friendly face behind them )

Sooty plugs are unlikely to be connected with incorrect dizzy mounting. Have you checked the cleanness and dryness of your air filter ?

[Bulldog1]

Thanks again ghost,

The air filter is relatively clean, however there was a small pool of oil in the base of the air filter housing.

I have cleaned this out now but I also cleaned it out about 12 months ago and I've only done 2000 miles since.

To give you some background the engine is a 1.9dg that is a recon unit from Elite VW.

IVE ONLY DONE ABOUT 5000 on this engine.

[Bulldog1]

A mate has just popped to my house and I've asked him to check I'm not completely bonkers.

The dizzy is 100% ninety degrees out in an anti clockwise direction.

Just also checked the mileage and I've only done 2700 since the engine was fitted.