Did you see?

[syncrosimon]

Agreed Clive, is that how it works in the Picos de Europa.

[HarryMann]

It does now, big fines if you aren't guided and found on the wrong tracks...

In fact even for some hiking routes, such as very sensitive areas , the Spanish can require a day pass, or even a two-hour pass... at least it eliminates the casual off-hand over-use of such places. But not to be overdone of course, just for places threatened by excessive popularity or subject to lomg term damage. Think they also do it if here is a danger element too, so they know 'who' is there and when

[jebiga41]

It does now, big fines if you aren't guided and found on the wrong tracks...

In fact even for some hiking routes, such as very sensitive areas , the Spanish can require a day pass, or even a two-hour pass... at least it eliminates the casual off-hand over-use of such places. But not to be overdone of course, just for places threatened by excessive popularity or subject to lomg term damage. Think they also do it if here is a danger element too, so they know 'who' is there and when

Hmm heard the Irish government are threatening the same, too many people tearing up certain beaches over here, the funny thing is the culprits always seem to video themselves in the act and youtube it so tracking them down is usually very easy

[HarryMann]

Luckily, the tide is a great healer...

[jebiga41]

[syncropatrick]

Repeated last night. Still on iplayer.

[HarryMann]

Did you see?

The programme last night on the old A303..

The original track between Hastings and Exeter ?

I didn't but my brohter said I should watch it on catchup, or did he with ketchup, something like that anyway

[goes into the origins of the original track and many facets of the history of its development into the A3030 as is now (the road we used to spend half our lives on getting to Cornwall on the 1950's, like 13 hours sometimes I was told)

[KarlT]

Agree........ with A303, my favourite road, always travel that way if going to the Big Smoke or back. At VW speeds, much better than going via Bristol.
Disagree.... with guided lane tours, can't think of anything worse.

[silverbullet]

...People want to take a snapshot in history of how the national parks should be, and then freeze it in time. I am more progressive and think the parks should be places where people live and work...

I completely agree with this sentiment. The so-called "countryside" is an industrial environment and mostly artificial. It's called large-scale farming and it used to feed the nation...

I really do have mixed feelings about the future and validity of driving off-road in the UK. Part of me enjoys the challenge and thrill of driving, but my conscience keeps reminding me that it's kind of pointless putting in a lot of time and road miles just to trundle a few on the rough. Which is a pity, as I'm leaning more and more toward getting involved in trials events with AWDC (where the syncro will end up in a higher modified class because of it's difflocks...)

I think that it will all eventually go to "pay'n'play" only in the UK, but economic factors will be a big influence on how quickly this happens. Beaurocracy being what it is, that might be never

[silverbullet]

I should probably qualify the above by acknowledging that it's not just about the driving! The people, the camaraderie, the banter; that's what really makes any event.

[ghop99]

Just watched this with great frustration.

I am both a keen off roader and walker but have no time for pompus nimbys who think they have more rights than anyone else (on either side of the argument might I add). Its about working together, finding a balance and moving forward. Things have changed, both in terms of the kind of vehicles using the lanes and the amount of traffic on the lanes. Governing bodies need to respond to this change to manage the situation before one group ends up with more rights than the other.

Surely the answer its to designate some lanes for vehicular/motorized traffic and some for foot be it human or animal.

Or is that too easy........ ?

[HarryMann]

I think on sensitive tracks, driving by licence might be the way... so no one group ploughs them up or upsets too many people too often!

To climb up Mt Teide in Tenerife, the last 800 ft to the volcanic crater, used to be unregulated. Due to increased numbers, people going off-piste, accidents, damage and rescues, altitude sickness etc... it is now regulated
All they do is put you through a few hoops, no charge, you just have to show your passport in the capital city, and get a licence, stating which 2-hour slot you will arrive at the top, for the final climb...
Seemed common sense to me, and ruled out chancers and ejeets (mostly), and the rest are looked well, and the numbers just about coped with safely. They took it very seriously (guns came out) when someone jumped the queue to climb up without a licensed time-slot (yup, British of course!)

Cannot see why some lanes can't be controlled this way, especially the well known and environmentally sensitive ones... trouble is, no one's harking as usual

Could be the same with Stonehenge etc, if you are serious you'll get a licence and get allowed close up for say 1/2 hr or so, what's wrong with that...rater than the crass system at the moment.