Andreas-springs: Third round

[syncroand101]

But in severe off-road I have the feeling that the damping could be even a little stronger. Therefore I would like to test the Boge dampers. Whether the result is really better, I do not know yet.

Any reports of using these with Old Man Emu shocks front and rear?

[jebiga41]

Anyone want to take a crack at explaining this in a language other than German



Im interested to know whether i should be concerned that the previously recommended shocks now fitted to my van are now no longer recommended.

Too soft? too dangerous ??

Have the TM fronts and in combination with new suplex fronts thoughtthe ride was very wallowy compared to my old set up but attributed it to the lift. Have yet to fit Andreas springs as I broke my thumb . Always wondered about the TM frontsas the rears come in two ratings andnow hearing the test results am quite disappointed would it be worth contacting TM about this and asking them to bring out the same shock but stiffer?

[HarryMann]

Have yet to fit Andreas springs as I broke my thumb

Paul that's three injuries now I count; hopefully that was lucky then and the Irish lottie jackpot is already on its way

Oh! and stiffer isn't always better, although I'm sure there is a % who will disagree (a wild guess would be 50%)

PS. Totally off the subject now, but that graph is simply resistive force against velocity, both bump and rebound. the dark blue that starts above the Y-axis at about 600 N looks interesting (881700 141 356 RT)

[syncropaddy]

Always wondered about the TM frontsas the rears come in two ratings andnow hearing the test results am quite disappointed would it be worth contacting TM about this and asking them to bring out the same shock but stiffer?

Stiffer in the bump or rebound or both? I would put money on the original VW spec being the best overall as they were designed for the van in an unladen condition and a fully laden condition and all points in between by the people who designed the van. Aftermarket dampers are not designed for the VW Syncro - they are designed to FIT the Syncro!
Colin Chapman who in his day was the chassis ghuru and made his cars out handle anything else on the market. He always went the soft springs/hard dampers route but each set up was very carefully matched to each design. Which brings me back to my statement - 'the original VW spec being the best overall as they were designed for the van in an unladen condition and a fully laden condition and all points in between buy the people who designed the van'.

[HarryMann]

Whilst there is a lot of science involved in chassis kinematics... Lotus are one of the world's experts, as well as Peugeot would you believe....

It is also true that with wildly varying road, load and mode - it is also a BLACK art.

So, buy a box of black magic for your loved one, a doll and and some pins...

and dream on, because you won't get it right, the other guy will though

[syncropaddy]

Whilst there is a lot of science involved in chassis kinematics... Lotus are one of the world's experts, as well as Peugeot would you believe....

It is also true that with wildly varying road, load and mode - it is also a BLACK art.

So, buy a box of black magic for your loved one, a doll and and some pins...

and dream on, because you won't get it right, the other guy will though

I think Im right in saying that Peugeot are the only car manufacturer that make their own dampers ...

[PetenAli]

E mail gone to you Andreas.

[AndreasLidl]

Hello,

The order deadline was actually the first January end.

But as just another discussion of the shocks is running (in the Syncro-IG16-Forum), and some interested parties now want to think about it again, I'll order the time limit until 15. January.
Greetings Andreas

[..lee..]

thats good news for me. hopefully etdi will be sorted in time.

lee.

[AndreasLidl]

Hallo,

ich habe darüber nachgedacht, ob es möglich ist, den Ausfederweg etwas zu verlängern, indem die Kolbenstange des Stoßdämpfers mit einer Adapter-Hülse verlängert wird.
I've been thinking about whether it is possible to extend the suspension travel a bit by the piston rod of the shock absorber is extended with an adapter sleeve.

Ich habe jetzt etwa 1 Jahr lang vorne die Trailmaster-Dämpfer gefahren, die aber nur für leichte Syncros geeignet sind, weil die Dämpfung nicht sehr hoch ist.
I now have about 1 year down the front Trailmaster shock absorbers, but they are only suitable for light Syncros because the damping is not very high.

Tests haben ergeben, dass der Boge-Dämpfer 251 413 031 N die größte Dämpfung aller getesteten Modelle hat.
Tests have shown that the Boge dampers 251 413 031 N has the greatest effect of all tested models.

Siehe auch:
See also:

http://www.ig-syncro16.de/forum/index.p ... &start=150" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;




Der Boge-Dämpfer hat aber einen 8 mm kürzeren Ausfederweg, was bei höhergelegten Syncros (zum Beispiel mit Andreasfedern) die Verschränkung etwas begrenzen würde.
(Der Boge-Dämpfer erreicht seine volle Länge erst bei einer Zugkraft von 8 Kg, die beim Ausfedern durch das Gewicht des Rades erzeugt wird.)
The Boge shock but has an 8 mm shorter suspension travel, which would limit at higher Syncros specified (for example, with Andreas springs), the entanglement something.
(The Boge damper reaches its full length until a tensile force of 8 kg, which is generated during rebounding from the weight of the wheel.)




Ich habe mir jetzt spezielle Hülsen aus Edelstahl angefertigt, die den Boge-Dämpfer auf die gleiche Länge bringen wie Trailmaster.
I've now made ​​special stainless steel sleeves, which bring the Boge shock absorbers in the same length as Trailmaster.




Diese Kombination habe ich jetzt eingebaut, und nach einigen Probefahrten bin ich wirklich sehr zufrieden damit.
Auch bei sehr starken Bodenwellen schaukelt der Wagen nicht auf, und vermittelt ein sehr straffes Fahrgefühl.
This combination, I've now installed, and after a few trial runs, I'm really happy with it.
Even with very strong ground waves rocking the car does not, and gives a very tight driving feel.


(Okay, das Bild ist nicht sehr spektakulär, sieht einfach nur "normal" aus.)
(Okay, the picture is not very spectacular, just look "normal" from.)


Die Boge-Stoßdämpfer (wichtig: Kennbuchstabe N) wurden serienmäßig in die 16"-Syncros eingebaut, und sind bei
The Boge shock absorbers (important: Identification letter N) were fitted as standard in the 16 " Syncros, and are at

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noch zu bekommen. (Preis: ca. 300,-€ für 2 Stück)
to get even. (Price: about 300, - € for 2 pieces)

Gruß Andreas
Greetings Andreas

[AndreasLidl]

Hallo,

im VW-Bus-Forum in Österreich
in the VW bus forum in Austria

http://www.vwt3.co.at/index.php?name=Fo ... ic&t=28076" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

findet man diesen Kommentar:
you will find this comment:

...nachdem ich ja jetzt schon über 25.000 km (teilweise im hardcore geländeeinsatz) mit den andreasfedern hinter mir habe kann ich nur sagen die federn sind echt gut

hinten wirklich problemlos mit den trailmastern

allerdings trat auch bei mir vorne das problem des massiven aufschwingens mit den trailmastern (noch nicht die HD - aber da solls auch nicht wirklich besser sein) bei bodenwellen auf

meine mulde konnte ein lied davon singen - bevor sie davonflog

werde daher auch mal die boge probieren...

...even now after I had about 25 000 km (some hardcore off-road use) have with the springs andreas behind me I can only say the springs are a great

back really easily mastered with the trailmaster dampers

However, at the front I also have a massive problem with soar/swing/rock/seesaw with the trailmaster (not the HD - but there will also be better not really) on floor in waves

my loading trough could sing a song of it - before it flew away...

will therefore try the boge dampers...

Greetings Andreas

[PetenAli]

Thanks for keeping us up to date Andreas.


Pete

[AndreasLidl]

Hello,

just a reminder:

In three days the order time limit will end. (15.1.2012)

Greetings Andreas

[GoldSyncro]

How do we order, directly or though the forum?

Rob

[AndreasLidl]

Hi Rob,

This is the mode of order:

Order-time limit: 15. January 2012

1) Du: Eine E-Mail an andreaslidl@web.de mit der Lieferadresse und der gewünschten Menge.
You: Email to andreaslidl@web.de, with delivery-adresse and the wanted quantity

2) Ich: Per E-Mail sende ich meine Kontodaten
I: Email with the account-number

3) Du: Geld überweisen
You: Transfer the money

4) Ich: Versand nach Ende der Bestellfrist. Lieferzeit dann: ca. 4 Wochen (Die werden ja dann erst angefertigt.)
I: Delivery after the end of order-time-limit: about 4 weeks later

Greetings Andreas