Changing the sump

Post by **pactdonkey** » 17 Jun 2006, 15:29

I believe i have a crack in my oil sump as there is a bit of gum on the farside of the sump from the back. it appears to be filling in a crack and the oil is seaping from around it as if it has broken its seal. I would like to make sure it is a crack before i fork out god knows how much for a new sump. If i take the sump off can i leave it off for how ever long it takes for a new one or does it need to be covered up and sealed at all times?
Cheers
Nick

Post by **Kermit** » 17 Jun 2006, 20:39

Dunno how much a new sump is but you can proberly find a second hand one quite easily i would have thought, dunno what engine you have though.

Alternativly can you get the old one welded up? is it steel or alloy? if its steel most garages have a Mig welder for mild steel, you can weld aluminium with Mig but need a slightly differnent set-up so most garages won't have that, you'll have to find a fabrication shop who use Aluminium Mig or better Tig

As for taking the sump off, I would certainly cover up the bottom part of the exposed engine, you dont really want bits of crap getting into crank and oil pickup.

Kerr

Post by **Hacksawbob** » 17 Jun 2006, 21:52

I take it your deisel! why remove it till your ready to fit new one? if you want to check its going to come off OK then remove it the re attatch with bolts finger tight.

Post by **pactdonkey** » 18 Jun 2006, 09:20

Ye sorry ppl it is 1.6 diesel..i was thinking about repairing it would be a better option. So thats a little job, ill take it off and have a look
Cheers
Nick

Post by **pactdonkey** » 19 Jun 2006, 21:08

Had the sump off today to see if i can see why it was leaking. Underneath the gum someone had put there was a crack about an 1" long. not very wide but enough to let oil seep through. Rang a local garage i used to work for and he reckons he can get it welded by someone so thats good news! it is reely good to see ur engine from underneath (without the sump on). check the crank and how clean ur engine is!
Gonna replace a bracket on the exhaust which has been rattling like mad for a while and obivously an oil change while im doin the sump so should be a healthy beast when im done!!
Anyone want to see pics???

Post by **Kermit** » 20 Jun 2006, 05:55

Yep, lets see some pics!

Kerr

Post by **HarryMann** » 20 Jun 2006, 09:19

The sump might be cracked because it was bolted up incorrectly... put the through bolts from the gearbox in and nip them up gently to align it all before you tighten all the socket cap heads. Use a torque wrench and work you way around steadily

Post by **pactdonkey** » 20 Jun 2006, 10:05

Ah right i get you, ye makes sense now because it does look like a stretch...ill get some pics up today!

Post by **pactdonkey** » 20 Jun 2006, 18:07

So got some pics today...I was thick enough to hand the sump in to the welders before getting a pic for here! but took some of the engine just for interst..ill show u the scar on the sump when it comes back!

**Would anyone call this an oil leak? i heard leaks from this part is common...is this a serious leak????**

This is her sitting while she's under the knife!

Post by **pactdonkey** » 20 Jun 2006, 18:09

Didnt think the pics would come out that big! sorry...the question bout the oil leak is the under side of the cam casing!

Post by **HarryMann** » 20 Jun 2006, 18:45

Use photoshop, or ACDSee or Dreamweaver to knock those back to 640x 480 - Stephen Lone Ranger, jake or Mocki will have a fit at that size.. plus I can't see what I'm looking at... cam cover's can of course leak, if that's what you are saying, but shouldn't if they haven't been distorted... think TC said once they had a habit - is this JX or AAZ cam cover retaning system (multi-screw at edges or 2 through the lid?)

Post by **pactdonkey** » 20 Jun 2006, 22:06

Images resized thats bit better! ye its the cam cover which is the multi bolt one its not the two bolts...anyone think its bad?

Post by **HarryMann** » 20 Jun 2006, 22:18

Nope, a while back Thomas put soemthing in a thread about these sortof leaks, no idea where but should eb able to find with search...

Pretty sure he though it would keep happening till the cam cover was changed as they get distorted - so try a different one - in fact I've got one, then make sure you torque down even;t to quoted figure, or be gentle with it - common problem for about a century now. rocker box cover leaks..

PM me your address if you want it..

Post by **chukaspaz** » 21 Jun 2006, 12:20

cheers mr. donkey!! I'm in melton mowbray, leicestershire...just follow the smell of pies and stilton...hee hee...ermm yeah basically gonna take her in to be 'checked out' and maybe put under the knife..hope the use anaesthetic though cause she's been through a lot...i swear there are tears coming from her headlamps...

cheers again!

Post by **pactdonkey** » 22 Jun 2006, 11:35

Any time mr chukas.....

Does anyone know the best oil to put into my van after all this? its a 1.6 diesel 86'...I will be doing long distance driving during the summer if this affects the decision!!
Also Can people confirm my van IS watercooled and the water needs topping up..What do i put in the tank??

Cheers
Nick