Hi all,
I was just wondering if anyone has any tips or pointers regarding the installation of 3 point seat belts in the rear of a T25 with Rock and Roll bed.
We need this in order that we can fit a child seat in the back rather than taking the baby on the front seat - which we do not really fancy!
We bought a 3 pointer from Just Kampers and took it to the local garage to fit it and they said it could not be done - but I think this is not the case??
Any help/advice much appreciated!
Scott (Sarah and Ben too!)
3 point rear seat belts
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Like mikey says, check out the wiki CLICK
Your local garage is talking toss. It can be done 'cause I, like several others, have done it, and done it with a JK 3 point belt.
Make sure you use re-enforcing plates, (either welded or bolted), when fitting your new mounts or Mr MOT won't like it
CLICKYour local garage is talking toss. It can be done 'cause I, like several others, have done it, and done it with a JK 3 point belt.
Make sure you use re-enforcing plates, (either welded or bolted), when fitting your new mounts or Mr MOT won't like it
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Hi
I've fitted JK 3 point rear belts to both a T25 panel van and a bus/kombi. Both were straight forward and didn't require any welding or special skills.
Actually, I think that the JK belts are technically 4 point belts.
JK belts come with instructions with pictures - ask JK to fax / email them over if they weren't in the box.
It should be relatively straight forward to fit if you have a full width R&R bed. Can be problematic on the wardrobe side if you have a three quarter bed. Usual solution here is to use a lap belt on one side, or fabricate some steel strenthening in the wardrobe to provide the rear mounting points.
Inertia reel mounts against the rearmost inner side panel just above the engine cover. There should be a hole in the steel panel for this. Just add a strengthening plate. JK sell the plates for a couple of quid. They have captive nuts welded to them. It can make life simpler if you also use a small self tapping screw through the corner of the plate to hold it in position while you put the seat bolt in from the other side - essential if you're working alone.
The next anchor point for the D shape bracket is about two feet above the reel anchor point i.e on the D pillar. If you have an original bus/kombi van (i.e one with factory windows), then you should already have some captive nuts factory fitted here. You can see the position by removing the vent on the D pillar. If yours was originally a panel van (i.e retro fitted windows), you won't have these captive nuts so you'll have to drill a hole and fit a strengthening plate. The position is on the flattened bit of interior steel panelling (JK pictures make it clear).
The next anchor point is on the interior side panel roughly level with the seat cushion. Remove the interior panel and you should see it. Normally there is a pre drilled hole here, though you'll probably need to add a strengthening plate (can't remember if captive nuts were factory fitted here).
Final mounting point is for the stalk which is under the seat towards the upper middle of the sloping bulkhead. Again original bus/kombi's have captive nuts here, otherwise you'll need to drill a hole in the flat section and use a strengthening plate from behind.
Always bolt into solid steel and use strengthening plates if the steel is not already reinforced.
Hardest part that I've always found is straigthening out the webbing - you'll probably need to turn one side around through the D anchor plates.
Anyway, take heart it can be done. Post again if unsure.
I've fitted JK 3 point rear belts to both a T25 panel van and a bus/kombi. Both were straight forward and didn't require any welding or special skills.
Actually, I think that the JK belts are technically 4 point belts.
JK belts come with instructions with pictures - ask JK to fax / email them over if they weren't in the box.
It should be relatively straight forward to fit if you have a full width R&R bed. Can be problematic on the wardrobe side if you have a three quarter bed. Usual solution here is to use a lap belt on one side, or fabricate some steel strenthening in the wardrobe to provide the rear mounting points.
Inertia reel mounts against the rearmost inner side panel just above the engine cover. There should be a hole in the steel panel for this. Just add a strengthening plate. JK sell the plates for a couple of quid. They have captive nuts welded to them. It can make life simpler if you also use a small self tapping screw through the corner of the plate to hold it in position while you put the seat bolt in from the other side - essential if you're working alone.
The next anchor point for the D shape bracket is about two feet above the reel anchor point i.e on the D pillar. If you have an original bus/kombi van (i.e one with factory windows), then you should already have some captive nuts factory fitted here. You can see the position by removing the vent on the D pillar. If yours was originally a panel van (i.e retro fitted windows), you won't have these captive nuts so you'll have to drill a hole and fit a strengthening plate. The position is on the flattened bit of interior steel panelling (JK pictures make it clear).
The next anchor point is on the interior side panel roughly level with the seat cushion. Remove the interior panel and you should see it. Normally there is a pre drilled hole here, though you'll probably need to add a strengthening plate (can't remember if captive nuts were factory fitted here).
Final mounting point is for the stalk which is under the seat towards the upper middle of the sloping bulkhead. Again original bus/kombi's have captive nuts here, otherwise you'll need to drill a hole in the flat section and use a strengthening plate from behind.
Always bolt into solid steel and use strengthening plates if the steel is not already reinforced.
Hardest part that I've always found is straigthening out the webbing - you'll probably need to turn one side around through the D anchor plates.
Anyway, take heart it can be done. Post again if unsure.
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We made a bracket for ours and bolted it through the original seat belt point behind the 'ears', and made up a plate for the bottom of the bracket.
It's gone through MOTs without a problem.
Heres a couple of piccies.
[img:500:374]http://muchos.co.uk/members/RedSquirrel/Bracket1.jpg[/img]
[img:500:374]http://muchos.co.uk/members/RedSquirrel/bracket2.jpg[/img]
[img:500:374]http://muchos.co.uk/members/RedSquirrel/bracket3.jpg[/img]
It's gone through MOTs without a problem.
Heres a couple of piccies.
[img:500:374]http://muchos.co.uk/members/RedSquirrel/Bracket1.jpg[/img]
[img:500:374]http://muchos.co.uk/members/RedSquirrel/bracket2.jpg[/img]
[img:500:374]http://muchos.co.uk/members/RedSquirrel/bracket3.jpg[/img]
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It's got a VW motor, a 116.8 cubic inch plant, Michelin tyres, VW suspension, VW shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas. What do you say, is it the new RedSquirrel bus or what?
It's got a VW motor, a 116.8 cubic inch plant, Michelin tyres, VW suspension, VW shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas. What do you say, is it the new RedSquirrel bus or what?
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My mate has done what you suggest (inertia thing mounted onto D pillar behind air vent). JK supplied all the bits - I was looking at it last week - looks good. Unfortunately lenght of belt still wouldn't go round rear facing baby seat.
We are going to do same (on an Autosleeper) very soon.
We are going to do same (on an Autosleeper) very soon.
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Rear Seat belts
Don't know what sort of van you have, but I have just had one fitted to my Westfalia.
I saw this link:
http://johnclapham.wordpress.com/2008/0 ... -the-back/
At the end is some links to pictures of belts fitted in a Whitestar caravelle, which show you how it should be done.
I went to Quickfit SBS in Stanmore, Middlesex and they fitted mine. A really nice job, detachable as well both sides of seat so does not get in way of rock'n'roll. Expensive though £240, but you get certificate for insurance purposes. Not the sort of thing I would like to DIY, in case it was not strong enough. Fits the rear facing car seat fine, baby just loves travelling along in the van. And I feel good knowing she is safe.
I saw this link:
http://johnclapham.wordpress.com/2008/0 ... -the-back/
At the end is some links to pictures of belts fitted in a Whitestar caravelle, which show you how it should be done.
I went to Quickfit SBS in Stanmore, Middlesex and they fitted mine. A really nice job, detachable as well both sides of seat so does not get in way of rock'n'roll. Expensive though £240, but you get certificate for insurance purposes. Not the sort of thing I would like to DIY, in case it was not strong enough. Fits the rear facing car seat fine, baby just loves travelling along in the van. And I feel good knowing she is safe.
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Rear Seat belts
Don't know what sort of van you have, but I have just had one fitted to my Westfalia.
I saw this link:
http://johnclapham.wordpress.com/2008/0 ... -the-back/
At the end is some links to pictures of belts fitted in a Whitestar caravelle, which show you how it should be done.
I went to Quickfit SBS in Stanmore, Middlesex and they fitted mine. A really nice job, detachable as well both sides of seat so does not get in way of rock'n'roll. Expensive though £240, but you get certificate for insurance purposes. Not the sort of thing I would like to DIY, in case it was not strong enough. Fits the rear facing car seat fine, baby just loves travelling along in the van. And I feel good knowing she is safe.
I saw this link:
http://johnclapham.wordpress.com/2008/0 ... -the-back/
At the end is some links to pictures of belts fitted in a Whitestar caravelle, which show you how it should be done.
I went to Quickfit SBS in Stanmore, Middlesex and they fitted mine. A really nice job, detachable as well both sides of seat so does not get in way of rock'n'roll. Expensive though £240, but you get certificate for insurance purposes. Not the sort of thing I would like to DIY, in case it was not strong enough. Fits the rear facing car seat fine, baby just loves travelling along in the van. And I feel good knowing she is safe.
1990 Westfalia Atlantic 1.6TD