London Low Emmission zone

[VWGeoff]

Does anyone out there know whether VW t25`s with Turbo diesel AAZ engines Registered conversions on logbook are exempt still? As I`ve already got logbook back back from DVLA registered as a motor caravan, now I need to know about engine change, before sending V5 back for the second time. To register engine change, and do I have to send receipt for engine to prove where I got engine from please or photos or what? Thanks Geoff

[New Kentish Campers]

Here's a link to their website that might help you. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/lez/17700.aspx

Sounds to me like your engine wont cut it, but of course you'll need to check before going anywhere near London or get stung by their hefty tax. Sorry, that should have of course read, 'Fee'

[VWGeoff]

Thanks matey but that websites a waste of time as my reg isn`t on there. As it`s been sorn a year. Out of date data.

[pocolow]

You could state the engine was changed to a petrol .....No LEZ for that.

Mark

[horns]

I don't see why an engine change would make any difference. All they seem to be interested in is what fuel does it use, what's the GVW, and what vehicle type is it.

[jimmy1039]

The actual egine does not make any difference unless of course you have fitted a recent Euro 4 category engine....the 1.9 AAZ is a Turbo diesel non Euro 4

The LEZ applies to commercial or specialist listed vehicles (such as campervans and horse boxes) powered by diesel engines - Petrol is exempt

The next category refers to weight of the vehicle....if the vehicle is registered as a campervan or motor caravan on the V5 then 2500kgs and under (GVW) is exempt...any campervan over 2500 kgs GVW powered by Diesel would need modification to comply.

Your engine change to a 1.9 aaz should not make any difference.....the engine does not comply with Euro 4 emissions but your vehicle will be considered exempt if as you say it is classed as motor caravan and if it is 2500 kgs GVW or less.

I have 1.9 td Diesel Syncro Campervan and my Plated GVW is exactly 2500kgs and I am ok for the zone....if your plated weight is 1kg over the 2500kgs you're buggered!!....unless you fit the Subaru Petrol engine instead.

[VWGeoff]

The actual egine does not make any difference unless of course you have fitted a recent Euro 4 category engine....the 1.9 AAZ is a Turbo diesel non Euro 4

The LEZ applies to commercial or specialist listed vehicles (such as campervans and horse boxes) powered by diesel engines - Petrol is exempt

The next category refers to weight of the vehicle....if the vehicle is registered as a campervan or motor caravan on the V5 then 2500kgs and under (GVW) is exempt...any campervan over 2500 kgs GVW powered by Diesel would need modification to comply.

Your engine change to a 1.9 aaz should not make any difference.....the engine does not comply with Euro 4 emissions but your vehicle will be considered exempt if as you say it is classed as motor caravan and if it is 2500 kgs GVW or less.

I have 1.9 td Diesel Syncro Campervan and my Plated GVW is exactly 2500kgs and I am ok for the zone....if your plated weight is 1kg over the 2500kgs you're buggered!!....unless you fit the Subaru Petrol engine instead.

Thanks Jimmy that last paragraph answers my question I think. As it is registered as 2400KG(just checked logbook) and also now says motor caravan(sent pics off to modify from van sorted). So now I`ll just register it as an AAZ TD. If I can find the blooming engine numbers(tried looking today, is it by injector 4 on AAZ as I have something there)? And also thanks to the rest of you. I take it DVLA will want engine numbers? Thanks Geoff

[nevill3]

You do need to inform DVLA of your engine change, but if it was a diesel before you can apply to have the LEZ records updated to show that you are not liablw to their TAX....below is a quote of mine from a post on another thread

You can email them scanned copies/ photographs of your documents if you want, then you have a record of contacting them if you need it.

I emailed the LEZ people and included as attachments a scanned copy of the first two pages of my registration document and a photo of my "plate"..

There was a link on the website, iirc, to a form to fill in.

I found it here are the details from the TFL website

Registration process
Step 1
If you have a GB registered vehicle and are unsure how your vehicle is affected, firstly, go to our vehicle checker

Step 2
Read the guidance notes (PDF 233KB) for detailed information on who needs to register and how to complete the registration form.

Step 3
Complete an LEZ Vehicle Registration Form (PDF 670KB), and make photocopies of the relevant vehicle registration documents.

You'll also need to provide additional documentary or photographic evidence as outlined in the guidance notes for your application type.

You'll need to complete a separate form for each vehicle.

Step 4
You can either email or post us your documents.

Email - send your scanned vehicle registration form and evidence to lezlondon@tfl.gov.uk Acceptable file formats are .DOC, .XLS, .GIF, .JPEG, .PNG, .PDF, .JPG.

Post - send your documents to Low Emission Zone, PO Box 4784, Worthing BN11 9PU

Step 5
You'll receive an email or letter from us confirming if your application has been successful. Until you receive this, you should continue to pay the daily charge if you're driving within the LEZ, otherwise you may be liable for a Penalty Charge.

We classify vehicles based on their body type, gross vehicle weight, unladen weight, number of seats and fuel type. Please check your vehicle registration document (V5C) to check these details are correct. If any information is incorrect, you need to contact the DVLA to get the details amended.

Some data, like unladen weight, are set by the vehicle manufacturer when the vehicle was originally designed and certified, and can't be changed.

On receipt of a revised V5C from the DVLA, please complete an online check to confirm your vehicle's classification.

I received two letters back with the second one confirming my LEZ exemption.

The email route appealed to me because it is free.....I know I am am cheapskate

[jimmy1039]

Hi Geoff....you should just be able to change the information that you have available....ie 1900 cc cubic capacity....I don't think they will chase you up on the engine No if you are unable to find it...I am about to fit an AAZ into mine and I cannot find the engine No either !!....my current engine is a bodged conversion from the previous owner and is the 1.9tdi AFN engine but fitted without the ECU which is why I am changing it.....but to answer your question on my V5 it still has a JX engine no which would have been from the original 1.6td...so when they made the changes last time they clearly just changed it from 1600cc to 1900cc and left the engine No as it was...

You will not need to send any info to TFL - LEZ regarding the engine...as the engine is non-compliant anyway....but as a campervan and at 2400kgs you are exempt no matter what engine you have....

I am not sure if the LEZ receives live data from DVLA or uses its own database having taken data previously from DVLA....so once your campervan status is current on your V5 if you check the TFL site and you still do not comply...you may need to contact them with proof of your camper conversion so they can alter your status to compliant....if they use live information you will not have to do this.

[VWGeoff]

Hi Geoff....you should just be able to change the information that you have available....ie 1900 cc cubic capacity....I don't think they will chase you up on the engine No if you are unable to find it...I am about to fit an AAZ into mine and I cannot find the engine No either !!....my current engine is a bodged conversion from the previous owner and is the 1.9tdi AFN engine but fitted without the ECU which is why I am changing it.....but to answer your question on my V5 it still has a JX engine no which would have been from the original 1.6td...so when they made the changes last time they clearly just changed it from 1600cc to 1900cc and left the engine No as it was...

You will not need to send any info to TFL - LEZ regarding the engine...as the engine is non-compliant anyway....but as a campervan and at 2400kgs you are exempt no matter what engine you have....

I am not sure if the LEZ receives live data from DVLA or uses its own database having taken data previously from DVLA....so once your campervan status is current on your V5 if you check the TFL site and you still do not comply...you may need to contact them with proof of your camper conversion so they can alter your status to compliant....if they use live information you will not have to do this.

Thanks Jimmy I think I found the numbers on my AAZ. I sent it off nearly two weeks ago, so fingers crossed I was right. Its the numbers(I ?) next to the injector nearest to back of van. See what happens, if I get the logbook back with engine change this week hopefully. I`ll keep you informed.

[jimmy1039]

Hi Geoff...good well done....I still can't find the engine number on my block.....the block is fairly corroded and pitted on the outside....I have tried pressure washing and wire brushing but still cannot find the engine number nor a likely flat spot where it should be... I wont actually need to make any changes to my V5 though as it already shows a 1.9 diesel.

[nevill3]

Here is a quote from a previous post I made about the location of the engine number on a different thread, it helped them find their number

Here is a copy from the Bentley manual showing where the number should be....

Good luck hunting