Clutch replacement

Big lumps of metals and spanners.

Moderators: User administrators, Moderators

lamb125
Registered user
Posts: 28
Joined: 09 Sep 2010, 21:53
80-90 Mem No: 0
Location: Fareham, Hampshire

Clutch replacement

Post by lamb125 »

After 600miles of trouble-free driving across Cornwall 3 weeks back, the clutch decided to go right into the middle of Portsmouth city centre on Saturday. Intital problem was selecting gears, a terrible bump (called drag apparently - no sign of slippage incidently) between 1st and 2nd when changing, followed being stuck in gear altogether. Managed to limp to a quiet spot on the sea front and call the AA. Responce time was less than 10mins, the AA man was even an ex-T25 owner so knew what to check for, and confirmed my intial worst fears.

The vans home anyway and safely on the driveway so my intention is to tackle the job myself.

Any hidden, or un-welcome surprises involved can anyone tell me? Thanks.

User avatar
Titus A Duxass
Registered user
Posts: 5777
Joined: 24 Nov 2007, 08:22
80-90 Mem No: 4475
Location: Cologne

Re: Clutch replacement

Post by Titus A Duxass »

Try searching the Wiki - I found this in less than 30 seconds https://club8090.co.uk/wiki/Ge ... the_clutch
VW T3 GTi Camper 2,0l

User avatar
Aidan
Trader
Posts: 6992
Joined: 11 Oct 2005, 19:21
80-90 Mem No: 742
Location: Llanfyllin, mid Wales : )
Contact:

Re: Clutch replacement

Post by Aidan »

if stuck in gear with the engine off then something may be wrong with the box

lamb125
Registered user
Posts: 28
Joined: 09 Sep 2010, 21:53
80-90 Mem No: 0
Location: Fareham, Hampshire

Re: Clutch replacement

Post by lamb125 »

That did cross my mine actually. I was puzzled by no sign of slippage, but the AA chap reckons that 'dragging' is equally as charactoristic as a sign of the clutch being worn. I'm praying it is just the clutch as a gearbox is going to put me off the road for months!

User avatar
Aidan
Trader
Posts: 6992
Joined: 11 Oct 2005, 19:21
80-90 Mem No: 742
Location: Llanfyllin, mid Wales : )
Contact:

Re: Clutch replacement

Post by Aidan »

could be spigot bearing failed - fit a new one anyway while doing the clutch

lamb125
Registered user
Posts: 28
Joined: 09 Sep 2010, 21:53
80-90 Mem No: 0
Location: Fareham, Hampshire

Re: Clutch replacement

Post by lamb125 »

Is the spigot bearing easily accessed when the clutch is off the gearbox?

Cheers

User avatar
Ian Hulley
Registered user
Posts: 12661
Joined: 11 Oct 2005, 08:08
80-90 Mem No: 1323
Location: Wirksworth, Derbyshire ... or at t'mill

Re: Clutch replacement

Post by Ian Hulley »

http://www.brickwerks.co.uk/shop?page=s ... ory_id=123

The spigot bearing is in the end of the crankshaft and some can be changed with the flywheel still on ... others can't.

Ian
The Hulley's Bus
1989 2.1DJ Trampspotter
LPG courtesy of Steve @ Gasure

lamb125
Registered user
Posts: 28
Joined: 09 Sep 2010, 21:53
80-90 Mem No: 0
Location: Fareham, Hampshire

Re: Clutch replacement

Post by lamb125 »

After a 4hr ish battle I finally managed to get the gearbox off and inspect the clutch. Found lots of tiny needle roller bearings! I guess these are the remains of a spigot bearing? The clutch plates have an burned 'electrical' smell about them. Lots of friction material left, but very polished and dark in colour. Does this point towards a burned out clutch? Before I commenced with the 'op' this morning I had to get the van off a gravel surface onto a hardstanding which meant starting in gear and limping it into position and I just couldnt select anything with the engine idling. Yes, who ever said the gearbox is heavy wasn't wrong!

User avatar
Oldiebut goodie
Registered user
Posts: 7482
Joined: 18 Apr 2008, 01:19
80-90 Mem No: 11135
Location: Eastern Angle

Re: Clutch replacement

Post by Oldiebut goodie »

Well, at least you have got half of the spigot bearing out!
1.6D 2019 VW T-Cross
200hp VW T6
1̶Y̶ ̶1̶9̶8̶7̶ ̶H̶i̶-̶t̶o̶p̶ ̶C̶a̶r̶a̶v̶e̶l̶l̶e̶
5̶0̶8̶d̶ ̶M̶e̶r̶c̶

California Dreamin
Registered user
Posts: 2673
Joined: 03 Apr 2007, 12:54
80-90 Mem No: 8386
Location: Nottingham

Re: Clutch replacement

Post by California Dreamin »

Pictures might help but at this stage replacing 'the 3 part clutch' is a given, irrespective..It also sounds like the spigot shaft bearing (needle roller bearing) has collapsed and could be the 'main fault'.
What you need to be aware of is: careful inspection to the input shaft, the end that goes into the spigot bearing. This may have been damaged by the collapsing bearing and unfortunately there would be no point replacing the bearing if the shaft going into it is badly worn/damaged.
Inspect the splines for wear
Inspect the input shaft seal for leaking (excessive movement may have damaged it)
Inspect the flywheel face for wear
Strip/lube refit release mechanism, again checking for wear.
Make sure your clutch slave cylinder bleed nipple can be loosened for bleeding once everything is refitted.
Martin
1989 California 2.1MV

lamb125
Registered user
Posts: 28
Joined: 09 Sep 2010, 21:53
80-90 Mem No: 0
Location: Fareham, Hampshire

Re: Clutch replacement

Post by lamb125 »

Thanks for all the good info and advice. I don't have to remove the flywheel to get to the remains of the spigot bearing do I? It's a push fit into a blind hole isn't it?

User avatar
Ian Hulley
Registered user
Posts: 12661
Joined: 11 Oct 2005, 08:08
80-90 Mem No: 1323
Location: Wirksworth, Derbyshire ... or at t'mill

Re: Clutch replacement

Post by Ian Hulley »

Should be yes, it helps to have the replacement in the freezer overnight to ease fitment :wink:
The Hulley's Bus
1989 2.1DJ Trampspotter
LPG courtesy of Steve @ Gasure

User avatar
jamesc76
Registered user
Posts: 6241
Joined: 14 Oct 2005, 14:42
80-90 Mem No: 1186
Location: Nottingham
Contact:

Re: Clutch replacement

Post by jamesc76 »

to get the spigot bearing out find a close fitting bolt fill the bearing hole with grease and give the bolt a good whack into the grease and should pop the bearing out!
DJ at Dubdayz Summerfest
Now cutting about in an LT35 MWB

User avatar
Oldiebut goodie
Registered user
Posts: 7482
Joined: 18 Apr 2008, 01:19
80-90 Mem No: 11135
Location: Eastern Angle

Re: Clutch replacement

Post by Oldiebut goodie »

Yeah that or you get a face full of grease! :rofl
1.6D 2019 VW T-Cross
200hp VW T6
1̶Y̶ ̶1̶9̶8̶7̶ ̶H̶i̶-̶t̶o̶p̶ ̶C̶a̶r̶a̶v̶e̶l̶l̶e̶
5̶0̶8̶d̶ ̶M̶e̶r̶c̶

User avatar
jamesc76
Registered user
Posts: 6241
Joined: 14 Oct 2005, 14:42
80-90 Mem No: 1186
Location: Nottingham
Contact:

Re: Clutch replacement

Post by jamesc76 »

Oldiebut goodie wrote:Yeah that or you get a face full of grease! :rofl


only if ya do it wrong!
DJ at Dubdayz Summerfest
Now cutting about in an LT35 MWB

Locked