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over heating new symptom

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Hi all

i posted a thread re over heating a week ago for which i recived very good advise to drain down system and flush it all and bleed it like mad again and again. which due to family comitments i havent been able to do :oops:

however i have come across a new symptom which after reading a piece on the Wiki has got me scared.

checked the filler tank no water? filled up drove to work and check when it was home time, again no water in filler tank. both times the expantion tank was full to the brim.

So i filled the filler tank again drove it and when i stopped i could hear it boiling. So had a look and there was a boiling noise coming from ( i think around the water pump, a hissing noise comine from around the oil cooler (i think) and there was water p***ing out of the very top of the filler tank.

then i saw this

Mocki:
On the flat four WBX it is normal if you do short journeys this time of year, aircolds do it all the time, it's emulsified oil and the shape of the filler tube encourages condensation, and head gaskets on the WBX are not like inline engines, the oil and water rarely mix when they do go, most references to head gaskets "going" on these are really water jacket seals going, which result in air locks, which cause over heating, rather than oil and water mixing, and water dumping, or over pressuring, and chucking the water out of the top up bottle or blowing pipes off.
Keep an eye on the water level, in the header tank as well as the top up bottle, and the oil level, too, and most importantly the heater output, if it goes cold then hot then cold on your knee its airlocking, and the temp gauge may not show it, if it does it wont be at the same time as your knee feels it!

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the heat from the heater is constant. does this meant i have water jackets seals gone or just that i realy need to drain and bleed it like mad?
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oh and its a 1.9DG

running on unleaded and LPG if that helps
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1.9DG are pretty prone to leaky water jackets....

But, you say the filler tank is empty (the one behind the number plate) while the expansion tank is completely full?

Have you looked for a split in the hose that connects the two tanks, or is there a small crack somewhere in the filler tank. I was thinking that if it was leaking, then it would keep emptying while keeping the main expansion tank full. Also, it might just leak onto hot bits of exhaust/engine making the noises you described...

I can't really think of any other way that the filler tank might empty while keeping the expansion tank full to the brim.

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ok, how it works:
top up tank to fill mark, engine cold.......
engine gets hot, coolant expands, builds up pressure with temp, and opens header tank pressure cap, forcing coolant into the top up tank........
engine cools down when parked, coolant contracts, pressure turns to vacume, and cooolant is sucked back from top up tank to header tank, returning top up tank to fill level from its over full state when hot.....
so, if the pipe between is split or leaking, it would be pushed out of the header tank and out of the split pipe onto the zorst, not into the top up tank, and when the engine cooled down, the header tank would be not full.......


however, if you overfill the top up tank ( fill it when cold with hose pipe) it will push excess out of the breather holes in top of the top up tank, onto the zorst, and find its correct level.....
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Hi dan and Mocki

thanks for the replys

Dan the bubbling noise was def from left side inside the engine not water hiting hot parts (hot parts out side that is)like exaust etc so i must have air in there. but noise on right hand side i surpose could well have been this.

Mocki have had to read yours many times prob due to diff terminology expantion tank v header tank. I think what your sayinging is that i over filled the filler tank when i filled it up for the second time not sure i did but could be i was filling quickly with water bottle. I will go up and have a look at how it is now ie now that it is cold agin after me looking at the water dumping from the top of the filler tank. Sooooo if there is water now in the filler tank at a normal level it would appere that i have air in the system and need to bleed and i just over filled the filler tank.

Is that right?
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Hi Again guys

right Mocki ummmm yes you were spot on mate :oops:

went to van filler tank at right level header tank at fill when cool.

took it for a burn and afterwards no dumping of water.

so it must have been before that it only had enough water to at cold to keep the header tank full but not enough to re-fill filler tank did fill it twice though?

and then i over filled it and it dumped the excess water.

annnnnnnnnnnnnnnd relax

some times you can read to much wiki.

sorry for wasting your time, but thanks for putting my mind at rest :)
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My Problem is Similar but in reverse

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My top up bottle (behind the number plate) is full and my expansion tank (the one in the engine) is near empty.
Is this OK?

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