009 dizzy

[umgum]

ok i know that it is said to be pooh for a t25 but why

the reason i am asking is i have a weak spark but we don`t know if it`s the module,dizzy or coil

and my m8 wants to put his 009 on it and do away with the electronic stuff

engine is 2.ol Aircooled with twin 40 dells

[Simon Baxter]

hhhmmm.
let think about this before you carry out another "Retro Bodge"

Average spark voltage for electronic ignition - 50 000v [big strong spark]
Average spark voltage for points tye system - 25 000v. [weedy spark]

Service interval for electronic dizzy - never, unless it fails.
Service interval for dizzy with points - set point gap every 3 000 miles.

Likelehood of failure of electronic dizzy and assoc bits - not that likely.
Liklehood of fault of CB point dizzy - points closing up, points burning out, condensor death..

Removing something just because you don't understand it is a bad thing, especially when replacing it with something much, much worse.
Spend your money on a book, or read the WiKi and learn about it, much better idea.

009's are dogsh!te.
Points are dogsh!te
Condensors are dogsh!te
Setting points all the like and risking them closing up when they feel like it is a pain in the ring.
Buying a dwell meter to set the points once you can't reliably get a feeler gauge in because they have a pip and a pile is also going to add to the expense.

Just fix what you have, or pay someone to fix it or forever feel "a bit daft"

[umgum]

so where do i go for new parts then ie:coil,dizzy and module

[Simon Baxter]

[sandwedge]

Another point to remember when messing around with alternative dissys. The stock dissy's advance curve is tuned to the carb/injector system.

Just throwing another dissy on to an engine can open up a big can of worms, to fast advance leading to detonation, or pinging.

Loads of the people I know that used the 009 on Aircooled type1 engines went back to vac advance because of the poor advance characteristics of the 009.

If you have a stock engine stick with a stock dissy IMO.

[umgum]

it`s ok for people like you that know these thing but what about those that don`t

i have tried reading about dizzy`s 009,svda then you goto justkampers and they say 009 works fine

so throw me a bone here if it is the module where do i get another

what is hte best dizzy

and what about the coil i presume from reading it is different for the electronic inginition

[ermie571]

Umgum,

JK will tell you the 009 is ok, as you cannot get new dizzy's anymore.

Coil is easy - gsf and other motor spares places, just make sure you get the right one

leads and plugs - again easy gsf or JK seem to be ok on them.

10% discoutn with GSF when you quote your membership number (use the e-mail Mocki sent when you joined)

Dizzy's are available second hand, but you may struggle to get an Aircooled one. - but as Si says above, they are generally reliable. Repair kits are also available. Think you may have got the shocked look from Mr Baxter as he is a trader and will do these parts for you!

keep an eye on e-bay or regularly phone the breakers on here......mercdoctor or Billy739 may be worth a pm. Or the new synchrospares in devon - not just 4 wheel drive by all accounts.

Start with a new coil, leads, dizzy cap, rotor arm and plugs.

Then you will know its all been done.



As someone who had the 009 on twin webbers.....don't bother. Honestly. Everything mr baxter says above is true. Points and condensers are a nightmare, and I could never get it to accelerate smoothly - flat spots and backfiring!!

Stripped it all out and put the stock back on.

An add in the wanted column can help if you get desperate

take care and good luck

Em
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[tonytech]

it`s ok for people like you that know these thing but what about those that don`t

i have tried reading about dizzy`s 009,svda then you goto justkampers and they say 009 works fine

so throw me a bone here if it is the module where do i get another

what is hte best dizzy

and what about the coil i presume from reading it is different for the electronic inginition

What Simon was trying to say was that he stocks most if not all of the parts you need.
Just follow the link in his signiture.
T

[eatcustard]

and my m8 wants to put his 009 on it and do away with the electronic stuff

I wonder why?

[umgum]

he wants to put it on because there is a week spark and he is not sure what condition module,coil and dizzy are

[eatcustard]

Is your good friend a mechanic?

If he is he should be shot

Even I know electronic is better than old skool points

Replace one at a time until fixed

[Simon Baxter]

it`s ok for people like you that know these thing but what about those that don`t

i have tried reading about dizzy`s 009,svda then you goto justkampers and they say 009 works fine

so throw me a bone here if it is the module where do i get another

what is hte best dizzy

and what about the coil i presume from reading it is different for the electronic inginition

What Simon was trying to say was that he stocks most if not all of the parts you need.
Just follow the link in his signiture.
T

That's what I was getting at!



JK will try and sell you a 009, they sell parts, it's another sale for them

JK however do not repair vehicles, so they generally have no idea what the stuff is to be used for and how effective it is.
Yes, it will work but it won't be right and in my eyes is a big step backwards.

[toomanytoys]

Is the idle stabilisation unit still connected? (black box next to module with two plugs on it)
Dissconect the plugs from the box and plug them together...

Clean all connections, clean the earth strap mounting points..

Modules usually either work or not....
Is the coil the correct coil?.. you cannot use a "beetle" one on them, it must be for electronic system..

Where is the spark weak? at the spark plug? from the coil lead?
old tired leads can cause problems.. But so can a tired dizzy car and rotor arm.. has any been replaced or swapped out to check??

[jason k]

ken just grab all the bits (leads coil etc) off baxter, you wont go wrong

[CovKid]

The 009 didn't even work well on Beetles. Its not even an 'equivalent' dizzy. I certainly have fitted them in the past but only on highly-tuned bug engines where the advance curve was more suited but they are so far removed from a stock T25 lump as to be not even worth contemplating. Far better, if you want to spend money, to find a good engineer who can rebuild the correct dizzy or find a reasonable S/H one. Simon is spot on with this. You can get a 009 to run on a T25 but it will perform badly and worse than a less than youthful original dizzy. They are sold because theres nothing else available, not because they're a perfect replacement or because they make you go faster, neither of which applies.

In the midlands I have many engineer friends who can make new parts in instances such as this. The 009 (at best) is a possible source of spares but in its own right, is as said, dogsh!te.

Its unfortunate title of '009' has in my opinion lead to all kinds of incorrect assumptions including tenous links with '007' etc etc.