sheared cylinder head stud

Post by **bartlby bus** » 04 Jun 2007, 22:18

sheared a cylinder head stud on my 1.9 watercooled veegee reconditioned engine just out of waranty oo makes you annoyed
it was coroded
any one know who may be able to extract this for me in the west country

any thing else i should check for?

i must be jinxed

Post by **toomanytoys** » 04 Jun 2007, 22:24

Looks like they dont replace them then!!!!
I would argue that as it was recon they should have used nerw studs... and it ought to last more than a year.... that aint long enough for a new one to rust enough even without antifreeze...

Post by **KarlT** » 05 Jun 2007, 08:10

Where are you?

Post by **mister smith** » 05 Jun 2007, 11:44

Are these not stretch bolts anyway, meaning that they absolutely SHOULD have put new ones in, no question?

Too many toys is right. Even though the warranty has run out, the stud obviously wasnt fit for purpose (meant to last way beyond warranty), new or otherwise, so kick off about it.

Post by **bartlby bus** » 05 Jun 2007, 18:52

im in bristol here and maybe i should email veegee

what do you all think?

Post by **kevtherev** » 05 Jun 2007, 18:54

I think there won't be any harm in that and quote some of the posts too and where from (80-90)

Post by **bartlby bus** » 05 Jun 2007, 19:00

ok heres the story

recon engine fitted christmas before last the warantee last for a certain amount of miles or one year

drove van untill half way through August last year when the gear box went

leaving van off road till March of this year so I make it that I had 9 months tops running of the engine as it sheared the bolt the bank holiday weekend at the beginning of May

what do you think should I at least contact veegee and make a fuss?

Post by **KarlT** » 05 Jun 2007, 19:19

For sure contact them & have a go.....not too nicey nice!

Question them about those bolts.....Why aren't you putting new in when (if above is correct

) you have to install new. What kind of company are you running?

VW Transporter club 80-90 is interested in the outcome.

Post by **mister smith** » 05 Jun 2007, 20:35

9 months of use doesnt really count, it's time (months) OR use (??? miles), and in your case its 18 months.

Don't quote me on the stretch bolt theory, I think your engine is maybe not modern enough to use em, so it may be 'acceptable' to not replace.
(Don't know a lot about the vee dub petrols, Im a diesel dude, dude)

The bottom line though is whether or not the result is 'fit for purpose'. If something has 12 month warranty and explodes after 13 months, then you have a case.

12 month warranty on something like an engine does not mean you should only expect it to last 12 months, You expect a (properly maintained & not abused) engine to last many years. If the stud had no chance of lasting years, it wasn't fit for purpose, so the warranty doesn't even come into it.

One question though, what were you doing when you sheared the bolt? That could complicate things for you...

Post by **bartlby bus** » 05 Jun 2007, 21:03

i was driving and it just broke letting coolant out all over the exhaust luckily i saw steam and pulled over

i sure wouldnt even try to pretend to do anything mechanical im a graphic designer

Post by **kevtherev** » 05 Jun 2007, 21:21

Vent thy spleen ask how this could happen ..as this reconditioned engine should last longer than 18 months...were the studs checked for corrosion..a broken stud could have been over torqued down even.

this is not your fault or an act of god

Post by **mister smith** » 05 Jun 2007, 21:29

It's one thing if you've been tampering, but even 6 months out of warranty, it's not unreasonable for you to expect a stud head NOT to just 'pop off'!!

So thats fair enough then.

Or not, cos (deep breath):

getting the stud out could prove to be such a nightmare as to justify getting another block instead (if you can get one cheap). Don't quote me on that either, it may come out no probs. Only one way to find out,

and:

bare in mind i no nothing about those engines specifically, but one bolts worth of tension 'disappearing' on its own may not have done the head any favours. You have heard of a 'tightening sequence', keeping similar pressure on each stud and tightening/releasing in a certain order a bit at a time? Do they have ally heads on them 1.9s?

If you can't get them (vee gee) to accept responsibility, you could end up well out of pocket (worst case scenario), I'd wait for somebody who deals with engines daily (ie. not me) to chip in, and get as much 'good' advice from people who know, before you start kicking off with vee gee.

I've got free stuff off manufacturers before well after warranty has run out. But its all about approaching them with the right argument, and the right attitude.

Post by **bartlby bus** » 06 Jun 2007, 05:48

thanks for all the advice

i shall put tgether an email

and post i here before i send it for you good folks to have a look

Post by **bartlby bus** » 06 Jun 2007, 18:14

seems that talking to my mechanic and others forums tha Vege will do all in thier power to lead me on a costly wild goose chase and deny the problem is thier problem i f you get what i mean
ie removing engine shipping back to them
etc etc

any ideas on the price of another engine not Vege obviously

Post by **wasserleaker** » 06 Jun 2007, 19:05

this is the kind of story you hear about recon engines [not just for t25's] for what they cost, things like the studs mentioned and other important parts should be replaced, hope you manage to get some joy out of vege.
the reason i decided to rebuild mine myself after contemplating a recon was that enquiries to remtec and vege as to whether they fit new cams and followers [one of the things knakrd in mine] for the 1400quid or so askin price left me no wiser, im guessing they dont. it cost me about 600 quid in parts, and a few months of hassle but at least i know whats been done to mine, and everything that needed replacing was replaced. obviously others might not have the time, tools, space etc to do this, and have to go the recon route,so its a shame to hear that these trusted firms are not that reliable all the time.