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So the journey home was a little less successful than the journey to Grill and Chill. lol

Slight gear linkage failure coming off the M3.
Managed to chug along with only 3rd gear to Bracknell KFC, where I managed to temporarily reconnect it and make it home just as it gave up again.

Gear-linkage refurb kit deff required...

Anyone happen to know where to get a full kit for the 2litre 4speed Aircooled? Brickwerks don't seem to do a 4speed kit.
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What parts do you need , is it the rear rod onto the gearbox thats the problem ?
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multisi wrote:What parts do you need , is it the rear rod onto the gearbox thats the problem ?

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Yea that's the one. There's two white bushes that go on the selector rod on the gearbox, I think there's prob meant to be a gaitor/seal where the main rob slides back and forth on the peg too.

Tbh though if the front is anything like the back I might as well change the whole lot. Just for peice of mind more than anything.

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theres more than one problem here - i'd be surprised if its just the rear end where theres slack? thats a lot of travel to come off the eccentric adjuster? i'd be looking at the whole shifter rod bushes and gearlever
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rowlesy wrote:theres more than one problem here - i'd be surprised if its just the rear end where theres slack? thats a lot of travel to come off the eccentric adjuster? i'd be looking at the whole shifter rod bushes and gearlever

My thoughts exactly buddy, I stopped and managed to lay underneath and wrestle it back into place to get me home. But just before turning into my road I changed from 3rd to 4th and it popped out again.

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Brickwerks do the parts , get yourself a Haynes manual for the early 1979 - 1982 Aircooled models, its the green one. It has good diagrams and info.If you could hear a scraping sound from underneath when changing gears the bush under the fuel tank needs replacing.Try to fix the rear first and see how it is cos the rest of the linkage isnt so easy to do. Check the connection of the rear rod to the front rod, if its loose and has moved you may need to do the initial set up again to get correct gear selection which is explained in the early Haynes manual.
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thanks for the reply, Haynes is already on order.

I've just been speaking to brickwerks, they given me links for the following parts which I am going to replace as i am missing both bushes for the slide pin and the plastic balls on the relay lever have seen better days.

like you say though the first thing i need to do is work out why the selector rod has jumped off of the slide pin. no point putting all the new gear on if its just going to do it again.

I'm thinking its either like you say and the front and rear rod have moved or there is too much play in the engine mounts. if the selector is all the way forward and the engine rocked back it could quite easily pop out.

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https://www.brickwerks.co.uk/t3-parts/t ... early.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bearing pin guide bush
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https://www.brickwerks.co.uk/gear-lever ... -4spd.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Ok so I had 10mins to spare when I got in from work so went to try and get a better look at this gear linkage. To hopefully work out why it's jumping off the guide pin at the rear.

Here is what I found.

Bushes missing from the guide pin itself and the bush insert missing from the end of the rod itself.
Ball bushes on the relay lever worn and slid to far up. But none of this I can see would cause the rod to jump the guide pin.
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Next checked the clinch bolt, my thinking here was that if the clinch bolt was loose the front and rear rods could slide completely together. This would make the overal length of both rods as short as it could possibly be. So maybe when moving the gear stick into 4th this would be enough to pull the rod off the rear guide pin.

The clinch bolt seemed tight, but the front rod did look as if it was pushed all the way into the rear rod. I could see no splines protruding.
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Next i tried to take a look at the front linkage below the gear lever. Unfortunately I didn't have time to drop the spare wheel to get a proper look. But I did get a photo. The linkage looks to be in place ok and you can see wear on the inside of the box, but with the rod not attached to the replay lever at the rear I'd kind of expect that with the extra travel it has.
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I'm going to replace bushes etc where ever they are worn or missing. But I'd ideally like to work out what caused this.

What's people's thoughts?

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Been back under the van today. The front bush didn't sound like metal on metal scraping but it wasn't smooth.

I've marked up all the rear linkage and rod positions and removed everything from the clinch bolt back.
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I'm going to replace the slide pin, slide pin gator, relay lever and relay lever gator. Also I'm going to shot blast the rear rod itself it's got so much crap all over it.

@Multisi the relay lever is approx 78mm long.

The top ball bush has slid up from its groves position and the bottom one just falls off.
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The slide pins bush has fallen apart and is pretty worn. The end of the selector rod that slides on the pin was also full of crap.
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The relay lever gator was completely shredded and the pin gator was completely missing.
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I would have left the rod in place and just replaced gearbox lever and pin bush. Before you removed the rod did you try third to forth gear and see what was happening at the gearbox end.
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The rod needed removing as the end that the guide pin goes into was full of thick gunk and grit. Only way to clean it properly for the new guide pin was to remove it.
It's no biggie, it was comprehensively marked and measured before it was removed.

Yes I did try that. Nothing untoward seemed to be happening but with all the knackered bushes it was quite sloppy/Loose so going to re test once the replacement parts are in place.

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Also evidently the gearbox relay levers(early ones like mine) are no longer available so I am going to have to work out a way to repair this one.

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I may have one , will get back to you tomorrow.
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multisi wrote:I may have one , will get back to you tomorrow.

Ok cool. Thanks buddy.

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Great post, thanks for taking the time to post up pics
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