subaru sump

[gazc]

sorry if this has been covered before but i saw a while ago on here that someone was manufacturing a shortened sump for subaru conversions. i have a EJ20 in our T25 van with the full rjes kit fitted (except exhaust/sump) and richard has told me his plans are on hold to produce the sump, and abotu compatability issues and issues with shortened sumps. has anyone actually got a shortened sump from the likes of tsr/burley/small car to fit with the rjes engine mount? or can suggest someone who makes them without getting ours chopped? cheers

[Fin]

I was looking at this one
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TSR drag racers are the distributer in the UK - They're about £280 though

[HarryMann]

Andy, SyncroAndy, has a smallcar Subaru cast sump on his EJ 25 powered Syncro.

[HarryMann]

Go on suburavanagon yahoo group for the latest on sumps (and most else on subs )

[gazc]

thanks for the links but i cannot find any info on a manufactured sump that will work with the rjes engine mount - only that the sc/bug5speed ones dont

as far as i can tell its either

a) put up with the low sump and keep fingers crossed (not really an option)

b) order a tsr sump and mount at around £400+ (dont fancy having to take engine back out!)

c) order a burley sump and hope it fits the rjes kit at around £250+


if anyone has experience of specifically the burley sump working with rjes mount would be greatly appreciated!

cheers

[Fin]

That Burley one looks good, I'll measure from the back of my sump to the engine support bar and see if it's got the clearance..
Might have to order one me self

[Allanw]

From what I've heard (in partiular from flowervanman on the 'yard) TSR is to be avoided at all costs. If there sump is anything like their wiring and engineering expertise, the sump is lkely to not hold oil, and possibly can't be bolted on.

You can alter a stock sump. The Small car sump reduces the total capacity, and causes no issues. I have one on mine, and just yesterday at 6800 rpm passing two cars up a hill, it didn't seize or anything I think I fit 4L in there.

You can shorten the stock one, and make it more square to increase the capacity.

The shortening of the pickup is the vital part - the weld MUST be totally air tight, or you'll end up with air bubbles.

[Fin]

I think the opinion of one or two people on TSR isn't the best.
But saying that. They did my loom work.
I then fitted the wiring my self, they weren't as thorough as Rjes, but they assume the person fitting their stuff has good electrical & mechanical knowledge.
Then to say that every product they do is rubbish, is scandalous
That's like saying Tesco's Veg is rubbish because you had a horse burger once
The Sumps they use are from a very well respected German firm called Bugat5speed and they look very good quality.
As I've said before, if you do an engine conversion into a T25, I'd expect to have issues every now and again.
You can't guard against every eventuality.
Anyone thinking that they should get a turnkey set up in a 20 year old van is just delusional.
I do all my own mechanical work, because I've yet to find a mechanic that is as picky as me.
But saying that we all make mistakes, and when that happens the only person to blame is me.
If you want something "just to work" go and buy a T5
Actually don't. Just had an EGR failure on mine after 20000 miles

[HarryMann]

the shortening of the pickup is the vital part - the weld MUST be totally air tight, or you'll end up with air bubbles.

Yes, but brazing a close fitting tube over the join is probably the best way

[HarryMann]

It has been commented on before here that TSR's engineering is (was then) best described as ahem, Agricultural.

[ELVIS]

Isn't RTCs syncro TSR parts?

[gazc]

well after a bit of thought, lots of internet browsing and 10mins under my van with photos various sumps i've ordered a burley sump - mainly because it should work with my engine mount, and should make fitting an RJES exhaust easier when richard gets them in stock (i understand the burley sump uses an OE subaru sump for the top section and the RJES exhaust has a bracket which welds to a standard subaru sump so should be a LOT easier than trying to bodge something on a small car/TSR cast alloy sump!) anyway when it gets here and its on i'll put up some pics

[HarryMann]

Pics would be great

[flowervanman]

Actually I would suggest that if you pay 6 grand to a company that professes to be the country's leading engine replacement specialist that you could reasonably expect to have a van that was roadworthy.

Yes, there will be teething problems but TSR bodged pretty much all of it!
If it was a mistake/ having a bad day and he sorted it out then fair enough but there are a lot of people like myself
Who have ended up with an unreliable vehicle suffering exactly the same issues!
Anybody going to a company such as TSR is probably not very mechanically minded , he fobbed me off for years making out it was my fault / driving style.
Thanks to a lot of people on the yard and vwkd I've had to learn pretty much everything and re-do it!
He may sell half decent parts, I don't know, but I've not ever heard 1 person state that he has done a conversion that is actually drivable and reliable.
I also know for a fact that numerous people are taking him to court as I've had numerous pm's asking for assistance.
My 2 penneth

[HarryMann]

We of course have to be careful what's said on a public forum, as far as warning our members but that's more food for thought than we've had before, which could be described as morsels and titbits ...