What diff ratio is likely to be fitted to a 2.1 ?

Post by **max and caddy** » 28 Jul 2012, 21:08

As above...at a guess what box code would be normal in a 2.1 caravelle from about 1990....? And is it likely to have the longer diff ratio?

Post by **syncropaddy** » 28 Jul 2012, 21:16

I see 5 different set ups on ETKA for 1990 ....... How many will Aidan find!

Post by **max and caddy** » 28 Jul 2012, 21:23

Ok...so could be anything then...what do reckon a front diff and rear gearbox complete are worth...condition unknown. Both locking.

Post by **ninja.turtle007** » 28 Jul 2012, 21:41

Most likely a 4:86 but if you are very lucky a 4:57.

Post by **syncropaddy** » 28 Jul 2012, 21:43

Get the codes off the casings so you will know what they are and if they are a matched pair then I would give no more than GBP600 if condition is unknown

Post by **max and caddy** » 28 Jul 2012, 21:47

Yup....can't get codes till Monday. Thanks for the info so far.

Post by **max and caddy** » 02 Aug 2012, 21:22

Ok, time to elaborate a bit on why I was asking about ratios, I bought a full syncro drivetrain off eBay from a breakers yard, seemed like a good price and I do like to have a good pile of spares!, it was all from a fire damaged 91year 2.1 and had all the running gear, brakes, later bottom arms, anti roll bar etc....it all turned up and I have a AVK rear box ( so a diesel box it turns out with a 5.43 diff like I havein oth my syncros now....so all I gained there is a V second gear and a fairly ok box of parts....pinion bearing has had a chisel attack at some point but general condition is good so all smiles there, and the front diff appears to have a very slack VC in it....oh well, can't win em all...but is a ADH code....so has a 4.86 diff!

so that will explain why the VC died I spose!

All in all I'm happy with my big pile of parts, just need to track down a 4.86 rear cwp and I'm sorted for the TDI box build.

Post by **max and caddy** » 03 Aug 2012, 21:57

Not sure if anyone cares but small update, pulled the rear diff out and counted the teeth, turns out its a 34 ring and 7 pinion so is in fact a 4.86 !

must of been swaped into a used AVK case for some reason, teeth are all good and even the pinion bearing is still featuring some pre load despite the cup of brown crud that was once oil.

Pity the V input shaft has lost a bit of its hardening on the bit where the needle bearing runs so most likely its scrap now...time to talk to Aidan I think, priced a new one and it's 390 euros.....bit too expensive I reckon.

All in all rather pleased with my eBay gamble!

Post by **Aidan** » 04 Aug 2012, 07:10

Alex new mainshaft only now no more good used ones of either type, no good used crown and pinion sets in any ratio and just fitted the last new 5.43 crown and pinion set i could find anywhere in the world, no new front 5.43s available that I know of

4.86 rear still available new from classic and currently being remanufactured for american market at the mo so when european ones run out then those will be available at double the price (that's £1400

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if we want any more 5.43s we'll have to find some capital to get them remade, if anyone has a spare £15-30k to invest then please do let me know - seriously folks, especially the diesel boys if you trash the box you'll be struggling to get a replacement, used boxes now 1k euro upwards on german ebay and the german traders asking top dollar if they will sell any out

and if anyone is sitting on a stash of syncro gearboxes they want to convert to money do let me know, and if anyone wants to go to Finland and buy a cheap van and fill it with spares from Miko and elsewhere then that would be a really really good plan (

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otherwise expect to see a lot of 2wd ex syncro campers in the next few years (assuming you can find a good 4 speed to fit instead), just like 10 years ago before CJ broke a load and put the spares back into circulation to keep us all going, it's weird that he broke vans that were seemingly too good to break (or so some thought - eg the silver one) and now people will pay £3-4k for a van that should be broken: I looked at one for Neil and Sally recently and that was a lot worse than the £250 one I broke 7 years ago, but subsequently sold for over £3k and the new owner is now looking at engine and gearbox work, new tyres, a VC and a load of serious bodywork on a liesuredrive or similar 2nd life conversion

Post by **max and caddy** » 04 Aug 2012, 08:45

Thanks Aidan, so my cheap gearbox is still going to be a bit expensive it would seem....a new main shaft, albinos 3&4 gears, and an intermediate plate and bearings....

I will keep my eyes peeled for the secret gearbox pile though..

Post by **syncropaddy** » 04 Aug 2012, 11:30

There's that word 'cheap' again ........ cant be used in Syncroworld!

Post by **max and caddy** » 04 Aug 2012, 14:48

syncropaddy wrote:There's that word 'cheap' again ........ cant be used in Syncroworld!

No....seems that's not an option....could of been so much worse however, was a bit disappointed when the codes didn't match and I seemed to have a random selection of parts...but now have the cwp I want for my tdi sika, and the rebuilt front diff that was in that is now on my van to replace the one that made funny noises on the way to syncropendence....hope it can be saved with a fresh pinion bearing, also I gained a smoked VC so at least I have a core for exchange. Having to but a new main shaft is a bit of a shame and I'm surprised to see the hardening has failed on a vw part but never mind eh?

Post by **syncropaddy** » 04 Aug 2012, 21:54

I must get all my bits and pieces together and see what I have. I seem to have two boxes and two front diffs and a pile of loose gearbox bits in amongst five engines, half a dozen fuel pumps. sets of shocks and springs, rear arms, front arms, power steering racks ........

Post by **max and caddy** » 04 Aug 2012, 22:12

Yeah..get on it, if you find a syncro p/s shaft or a V main shaft spare.......

Post by **max and caddy** » 06 Aug 2012, 17:22

Aidan wrote:Alex new mainshaft only now no more good used ones of either type, no good used crown and pinion sets in any ratio and just fitted the last new 5.43 crown and pinion set i could find anywhere in the world, no new front 5.43s available that I know of

4.86 rear still available new from classic and currently being remanufactured for american market at the mo so when european ones run out then those will be available at double the price (that's £1400 )

if we want any more 5.43s we'll have to find some capital to get them remade, if anyone has a spare £15-30k to invest then please do let me know - seriously folks, especially the diesel boys if you trash the box you'll be struggling to get a replacement, used boxes now 1k euro upwards on german ebay and the german traders asking top dollar if they will sell any out

and if anyone is sitting on a stash of syncro gearboxes they want to convert to money do let me know, and if anyone wants to go to Finland and buy a cheap van and fill it with spares from Miko and elsewhere then that would be a really really good plan ( )
Just been on the Albins site and they appear to list new crown and pinions in 5.43 for the 094 boxes.....? Are these no longer made or just far too expensive? Also are albins and weddle the same stuff? Found I need a 3/4 th hub as despite being the roundy hole type it has cracks...grrr!

What sort sort of price does an albins /weddle hub come in at? And the pinion lock nut also?

otherwise expect to see a lot of 2wd ex syncro campers in the next few years (assuming you can find a good 4 speed to fit instead), just like 10 years ago before CJ broke a load and put the spares back into circulation to keep us all going, it's weird that he broke vans that were seemingly too good to break (or so some thought - eg the silver one) and now people will pay £3-4k for a van that should be broken: I looked at one for Neil and Sally recently and that was a lot worse than the £250 one I broke 7 years ago, but subsequently sold for over £3k and the new owner is now looking at engine and gearbox work, new tyres, a VC and a load of serious bodywork on a liesuredrive or similar 2nd life conversion

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