One for the SA clique...and 5 cylinder fetishists!

[Russel]

The Pinz factory was moved to SA almost 2 years ago now. Volvo use 5 and 6 cylinder VW petrol and diesel engines.
The euro speck T4 5 cylinder engine is quite different to the SA 5 cylinder T3's. Injection, ignition all different.
Russel

[famous phil]

Hi, this white machine has well and truly worn out running gear , tracks have been rubbing the under-body , this is probably because of the all up weight being over 7tons, the other has already had lots of parts stripped from it , this had the same fault as some early sprinters -front pulley keyway chewed the crank
The father in-law works as a mobile phone mast engineer and the contractors tend to go for these types of machines , can't wait to have a go in this machine and think it'll be easier to operate with a steering wheel , not like my tracked machines 'need to stand on the peddle for it to slew'

[silverbullet]

Haggies have fully sealed doors don't they? So you can go wading until the water's well up the screen
Loving those pics

[famous phil]

yes doors have a very good seal , I seem to think that if not to much weight carried they float before the water gets to the windscreen not like brothers TD5 landy ( it sinks ) when it gets to the windscreen goes into limp mode I had to trape many miles over the Yorkshire moors with fault diagnostic gear to try sort it out once , did no good but hooked it up once he got home = throttle potentiometer out of range

once its rebuilt and out I'll get some better pics

[silverbullet]

Solihull sheds. Been there, done that. I think that the one bit of advice that I gained from those days was "the servicing is relentless" Mine was a BA chassis RR with a 2.5TurboD VM blew it up 3 times and gave up. Split heads and no cash left.
Now I've got 3 T3's including a tatty syncro. No change there, then!

[famous phil]

Been there too had a VM engined RR many years ago now , I was lucky with it as had no bother , a friend at the moment has a four pot in a jeep and thats in bits more than it goes my jeep has the VM 5cyl 3.1 and is about at the mileage for bother to start
I think that if BL/rover/landrover group had pushed project iceberg ( V8 diesel ) in the late seventies they'd have maybe had a good engine , what I thought strange was the building of prototypes fitting the VM engines and the range rover ( ending up ) with the 2.4td 4cylinder and the jaguar having a six cylinder Vm engine they should have put the six potter in the range rover

[silverbullet]

I was once told by a fella who worked for a firm putting the 5 and 6 pot Vm's in RR's (when there was a fashion for such things, long before the Td5) that the 6, whilst being a bit of a squeeze, really did go like the proverbial. At 3.8 litres it should have!
Iceberg's used to snap the cranks at the rear main iirc and that's why it ended up being shelved...Those Chevy V8 diesels are supposed to be quite good in things like a FC/101, but HEAVY.
Are we far enough off topic yet?

[silverbullet]

The euro speck T4 5 cylinder engine is quite different to the SA 5 cylinder T3's. Injection, ignition all different.
Russel

Just to get this one back on track...judging by some under-bonnet pics of a US "Eurovan" T4 2.5: the inlet manifold, idle valve arrangement mounted in a rubber doofa etc. all look identical to what's in the 2.6... and looking closely at the "2.6" cast on the plenum it's been made from a modified pattern for the 2.5 manifold anyway!
So does that mean US T4 petrol motors are a better bet for SA-style swaps?
There aren't any obvious 22 S part numbers on the main engine components, they've all got familiar european ones. The unique SA parts are mostly the rubber hoses and air filter housing (didn't check the engine mounting brackets ) and the exhaust. Manifold is an Audi 80 2-piece one.
Anyone contemplating a 5-pot conversion may find this info useful, if only to minimize the headaches when trying to get the installation "right". Feel free to have a look at mine or ask for pics or part numbers!

[jamesc76]

famous phil, thats a BV 206 light track vehicle I used to work on them in the army, there designed for Norway type areas Used to do no end of work on um! And just coz it has a steering wheel dont make it easier to drive!!

[famous phil]

just thought having a steering wheel will be better than pulling clutch leavers and standing on slewing brakes

Just to get this one back on track...judging by some under-bonnet pics of a US "Eurovan" T4 2.5: the inlet manifold, idle valve arrangement mounted in a rubber doofa etc. all look identical to what's in the 2.6... and looking closely at the "2.6" cast on the plenum it's been made from a modified pattern for the 2.5 manifold anyway!
So does that mean US T4 petrol motors are a better bet for SA-style swaps?
There aren't any obvious 22 S part numbers on the main engine components, they've all got familiar european ones. The unique SA parts are mostly the rubber hoses and air filter housing (didn't check the engine mounting brackets ) and the exhaust. Manifold is an Audi 80 2-piece one.
Anyone contemplating a 5-pot conversion may find this info useful, if only to minimize the headaches when trying to get the installation "right". Feel free to have a look at mine or ask for pics or part numbers!

does anyone know if the bell-housing bolt pattern on these 5cyl engines might be the same as the later PD TDi engines ?
I was searching for a gearbox for a pals 2.0 TDi Passat and found a couple along with a petrol box that looked to have the same fixing points ,

[silverbullet]

does anyone know if the bell-housing bolt pattern on these 5cyl engines might be the same as the later PD TDi engines ?

Another one for Russel or more of a diesel enquiry... I've got a feeling that all the R4 R5 and V6 engines, petrol or diesel, use the same bolt pattern. It's why there's so much demand for SA bell housings.

[Russel]

SA bell housing will fit all VW 5 cylinder engines and V6 or V8. The PD has the same bolt pattern as the 1.6 TD and the 1.9 TD and TDI's.( 1Z, AFN,AHU )

[famous phil]

Hi, thanks for the replies , when I was searching for a gearbox I took with me the pressed tin splash plate from a 1.6d and tried it on the passat TDi gearbox could not get any to line up chances are its going to be the wrong box ,
I see the sump included gearbox bolting positions the reason was introduced to stiffen the crankcase to reduce flex with extra power , I'll have to re-check the plate and ask the seller to make sure it's for the 2.0L ,

What sort of price do the SA bell housings go for ? might have a 5cyl engine to install

[Russel]

Ile need to clarify my previous post slightly. The block bolt pattern is the same but the sumps pattern is slightly different. There is a German company that dose an adapter plate to fit the JX sump to the PD engines so that you can fit them at 50 degrees. Cant find it right now though.
Russel

[silverbullet]

Latest on the 2.6...it seems to have a bit of a thirst for oil. Not burning it and but it does leave spots when parked up. Must be pumping it out the rear main on the motorway. Genuine "mileage" 188000 km, or about 115000 miles.
So it needs a new rear crank seal, vagcat is dead and I haven't got etka/etos yet...
Part number much appreciated as this is the daily driver
ps is the oil filter the same as an 80 2.2 quattro? Just to be on the safe side