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2.1 tapping.

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OK so I know lifter tapping has been covered loads and I've looked it up and tried different things but I'm at a bit of a loss.

After rebuilding the engine last year all is well runs fine aside from when it gets warm I get a tapping noise that sounds just like a lifter has bled down, which is annoying as its quite loud seems to be from towards the 3/1 end of the engine. The noise is rev related as well as its speeds up ticking with increased revs.

Its a new cam, end float was bang on spec and all new lifters, lifters were all disassembled and bled when building the engine and adjusted to touching and then two turns in, pushrods were seated correctly, oil pressure is fine. 15 40w
With it being a "higher Lift" cam I thought maybe its putting too much lift on the valves so I backed off the adjustment to 1 turn from touching. No difference.

I went to check valve adjustment the other day couldn't push against any of the arms so they all seemed pumped up. However I couldn't back off or do up exhaust on number 4.
Eventually got it out and found this.
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That was brand new at the start of the year.

I don't think any of the valves are stuck/bent as the engine doesn't sound like its missing or any odd vibrations.

The one thing I didn't do with the build was any valve lapping or checking as I just filled the exhaust and intake ports on each head with parts cleaner to look for any bleeding from the valves, which there was none so I didn't bother. but I suppose that wouldn't show any play in the stems which could cause it to bend and putting pressure on the valve train?
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Yeah all moves as intended so again a bit baffled
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ajsimmo wrote: 31 Aug 2022, 15:06 https://www.facebook.com/thecampershack ... 296339354/

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I assume that was not visible to the eye until you slowed it down?
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Now I've thought about it I probably wouldn't see that unless slowed down so I could give that a go with my camera and slow it down and see if there is any movement like that, I guess that'd explain the wear on that one adjuster. But the noise is on or seems to be 3/1 end of the engine not the 4/2.. maybe there's more than one thing going on.. more investigating I guess!
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Smiffo wrote:
ajsimmo wrote: 31 Aug 2022, 15:06 https://www.facebook.com/thecampershack ... 296339354/

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I assume that was not visible to the eye until you slowed it down?
Correct. Just a nasty tapping, then saw the side shuffle. Swapped rocker shaft and all good. I imagine over time it could have mushroomed the adjuster like stesaw's.

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Blimey! I had to view it about ten times before l saw the shuffle issue. :run
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Well I had a look and did some recordings. Didn't see any side movement however I did notice that the adjusters were not sitting square on the end of the valve stem.

What I've done is swap the arm assemblies and then went through and seated and set the adjusters again.

Sounds fine when cold, when hot makes noise.

Hoping its not something like piston slap.

I suppose next on the list might be to pull the lifters and check to be sure. Then maybe look at the springs.
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Did you find the issue here Stesaw?

I don't know why I thought of this thread - probably something to do with thinking about rebuilds  :lol:
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I went to facebook and asked, Marco Mansi suggested I set the adjusters to 4 thou and run it for a day, then next day set them to 1/4 or 1/2 turn in. Yet to do the turning back in yet as I drove it today.
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Stesaw wrote: 13 Sep 2022, 19:52 I went to facebook and asked, Marco Mansi suggested I set the adjusters to 4 thou and run it for a day, then next day set them to 1/4 or 1/2 turn in. Yet to do the turning back in yet as I drove it today.

Finger crossed for you!!

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Maybe, I suppose I do have a spare pulley from the 1.9.
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Stesaw wrote: 13 Sep 2022, 20:05 Maybe, I suppose I do have a spare pulley from the 1.9.

Just try getting the bugger off with the engine in place :shock:
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Yeah that would be a problem. I ain't dropping the engine :lol:
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