Is my clutch on its way out?

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Is my clutch on its way out?

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Basically when I press the clutch pedal the biting point is really high like so high if you lightly ride the clutch by accident the engine slips. Is the clutch plate worn out? It had a new master, slave cylinder and thrust bearing from Brickwerks last year.
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hand brake on full and hard
in first.. let the clutch out
if it stalls then the clutch is ok

they either work or don't work.

when was it last changed?
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I have no idea when it was last changed I've done about 15,000 miles in about 3 years and has done 162,000 now. So will try what you suggested and let you know the outcome.
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You'll sure notice clutch slip going up very steep inclines when its just about finished.
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You are describing typical clutch wear symptoms. Obviously not completely worn out at this time but sounds close.

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California Dreamin wrote:You are describing typical clutch wear symptoms. Obviously not completely worn out at this time but sounds close.

Martin

Yep, why replace the release bearing and not the plate and cover ? Sounds like 3 hours of your life you'll have to waste there for nothing.

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Ian Hulley wrote:
California Dreamin wrote:You are describing typical clutch wear symptoms. Obviously not completely worn out at this time but sounds close.

Martin

Yep, why replace the release bearing and not the plate and cover ? Sounds like 3 hours of your life you'll have to waste there for nothing.

Ian

Gearbox was replaced. :ok
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But not the clutch ?
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Ian Hulley wrote:But not the clutch ?

No as funds were tight at the time.

kevtherev wrote:hand brake on full and hard
in first.. let the clutch out
if it stalls then the clutch is ok

they either work or don't work.

when was it last changed?

Tried the above and it stalls straight away so I guess this is good right :D
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Like I said, the fact that it is not slipping means it's good to use, only trouble is, the lightest touch on the clutch pedal or hard acceleration 'between changing gears' will result in momentary slip whilst the clutch grips the cover and flywheel. This constant excess of slipping, even if it's not actually doing it in gear, will accelerate that last bit of wear that is left.
You can be sure that it might not be slipping now but it won't be long.

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California Dreamin wrote:Like I said, the fact that it is not slipping means it's good to use, only trouble is, the lightest touch on the clutch pedal or hard acceleration 'between changing gears' will result in momentary slip whilst the clutch grips the cover and flywheel. This constant excess of slipping, even if it's not actually doing it in gear, will accelerate that last bit of wear that is left.
You can be sure that it might not be slipping now but it won't be long.

Martin

Thanks. So sounds like I need to get this changed before the planned trip to France next month! :run
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Yup......I wouldn't risk a long trip, probably fine locally.
Clutch is around £110 with 3 hours fitting.....I doubt you can buy just the plate and cover but you never know.

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California Dreamin wrote:Yup......I wouldn't risk a long trip, probably fine locally.
Clutch is around £110 with 3 hours fitting.....I doubt you can buy just the plate and cover but you never know.

Martin

Thanks I will get on with it ASAP. Need to get the MOT out of the way first :? Read somewhere that I don't need to remove the driveshafts from the gearbox when changing the clutch. Is this correct? Just leave the box dangling by the shafts and CV's?? :shock:
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1_eyed_jim wrote:
California Dreamin wrote:Yup......I wouldn't risk a long trip, probably fine locally.
Clutch is around £110 with 3 hours fitting.....I doubt you can buy just the plate and cover but you never know.

Martin

Thanks I will get on with it ASAP. Need to get the MOT out of the way first :? Read somewhere that I don't need to remove the driveshafts from the gearbox when changing the clutch. Is this correct? Just leave the box dangling by the shafts and CV's?? :shock:

I wouldn't. There are other things you need to check up on ... especially if you're thinking of going aboroad. In fact I would be revisiting any other jobs that were done in the same fashion ... it's a VERY long walk home.

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California Dreamin wrote:Like I said, the fact that it is not slipping means it's good to use, only trouble is, the lightest touch on the clutch pedal or hard acceleration 'between changing gears' will result in momentary slip whilst the clutch grips the cover and flywheel. This constant excess of slipping, even if it's not actually doing it in gear, will accelerate that last bit of wear that is left.
You can be sure that it might not be slipping now but it won't be long.

Martin
The clutch slips during normal operation even withth a new clutch
It does not slip under load therefore its good.
The usable friction material is only a few mmm thick any way.
I would not be concerned.
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