front seat belt (arch) mounting point - moving location?

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front seat belt (arch) mounting point - moving location?

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hi

sorry if this has been covered before but i couln't find anything using the search function

today i replaced the driver seatbelt with a new one from JK. all went fine, but the bolt holding the end of the seatbelt in the arch area next to the seat was very stiff. gave it some stick and it shifted, and came out ok and the anchor point seemed fine once the bolt was out. fitted new one fine, but then when i came to the passenger side the same bolt wouldn't budge, finally it did and broke the weld on the nut under the panel. looking underneath it seams that the lower panel has rusted under the underseal, and the anchor bolt has snapped off - luckily now and not in a crash! anyway i've got a loose seatbelt bolt with a nut rusted on the other end but on the wrong side of the panel (it wont pull through as the top bit of metal seems good) :cry:

anyway - my plan is to angle grind off the top of the bolt and pull it through to get the old seatbelt off. but to fit the new one i'm very dubious about bolting it to the wheel arch panel given the rust there. is there an alternative anchor point that can be used for the end of the seatbelt? i was thinking of somewhere on the b pillar, lower down from the reel as it can be accessed from inside the b pillar to fit one of these anchor plates which i use to fit my rear seatbelts

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the question is - would this be fine for MOT and has anyone done this previously for advise? the B pillar seems a hell of a lot more structurally sound on my van so surely would be seen as being more safe?

thanks!

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Re: front seat belt (arch) mounting point - moving location?

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just weld up the rust!

where ever you mount it you will not be allowed any rust within 12inches(30cm) ANY direction from it - so it will need to be at least 30cm from its original fixing!


so as said be safe , get it welded and repaired properly rather than trying to redesign it!

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personally i think this is another of vw's poor designs, im supprised it twisted like that , they usually just yank through the lot :lol:
get it welded correctly and have a poker at the other side as this rot is a design thing and will have started when the belts were originally fitted.
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Re: front seat belt (arch) mounting point - moving location?

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hi, thanks for the replies. i agree i think it is a design flaw and could easily have been avoided! thats why i'd prefer to use a new mounting position than rely on rusty metal/welded up patches! but anyway i intend to get the panel/hole looked at and any rottens bits taken out and welded up but we want to keep using the van in the meantime as i can't do it myself and i'll need to ask about and fit round who can do it...

anyway, i've bolted the end of the seatbelt back to the reel mount on the B pillar. the securon seatbelt i got seemed to show this set up as an option, and included the parts and bolts i needed to get it to work (proper M10 bolts under the plastic caps btw). see pics below, also show the old mount which is loose but wont rip through as good metal on top!

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i've given it a good yank about and its solid, no movement etc. is there anything i'm missing about setting it up like this? want to check as its pretty fundamental to the vans safety till i get the proper mounting hole repaired

cheers and thanks for the help!

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if you sit in the van with the belt refixed to the reel part then tension it all up , . where does the lap belt now fit ,maybe itsd up on lower ribs? just something top consider
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As said above, lap belt section mountings are supposed to be below the hips and within a few degrees inline with them

Belt mounted as you have it is holding you back in the seat but not down
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Re: front seat belt (arch) mounting point - moving location?

Post by gazc »

sorted now - garage is currently rewelding the arch panel with a new mounting point. ended up with the missus sat in the back :ok

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