what gearbox should a 1990 1.6 jx td have
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Re: what gearbox should a 1990 1.6 jx td have
It's no beauty queen...but as jase says its cheap if it drives and stops as it should.
A bit of tlc and cash and you could have a nice useable van for the summer.
I think it's a good find.
A bit of tlc and cash and you could have a nice useable van for the summer.
I think it's a good find.
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Re: what gearbox should a 1990 1.6 jx td have
that is very nice
i would be well happy if i can get mine to look anything like that
going to try and get anything between £100-200 off mine,now ive got a list of all the faults lol
i would be well happy if i can get mine to look anything like that
going to try and get anything between £100-200 off mine,now ive got a list of all the faults lol
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Re: what gearbox should a 1990 1.6 jx td have
Ah list of faults ? do you want mine to add to whatever you think you have Im busy with another thread now but will do in an hour
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yes fire awaymetalmick8y wrote:Ah list of faults ? do you want mine to add to whatever you think you have Im busy with another thread now but will do in an hour
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Re: what gearbox should a 1990 1.6 jx td have
as said its a decent buy at the money if it drives as it should, all of its do-able and worth doing
this breif list of works is not conclusive and appart from the belt mounts and maybe the steps if you get a strange tester, then its all optional and wont stop you using the van, certainly looks crap with the planks off and the wrong bumpers and the decent wheels removed but
Appx
osr battery box and bits inside
osr lower 1/4 panal
osr arch/winhg
nsr lower 1/4 possibly bat box area as well
ns lower outer sill
ns lower middle panal
" " inner closures
nsf arch/B post area prob inner part as well
ns belt anchorage
ns step
lower front panal
os step
os seatbelt anchorage
some of the window areas look a bit skanky
hitop sealing area on rear
but well well worth doing for year and such
only testable stuff to really worry about ,
be a decent project
offer him/her €2500 or are they on kronkies there still €2.5k sounds better than £2k and a bit
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this breif list of works is not conclusive and appart from the belt mounts and maybe the steps if you get a strange tester, then its all optional and wont stop you using the van, certainly looks crap with the planks off and the wrong bumpers and the decent wheels removed but
Appx
osr battery box and bits inside
osr lower 1/4 panal
osr arch/winhg
nsr lower 1/4 possibly bat box area as well
ns lower outer sill
ns lower middle panal
" " inner closures
nsf arch/B post area prob inner part as well
ns belt anchorage
ns step
lower front panal
os step
os seatbelt anchorage
some of the window areas look a bit skanky
hitop sealing area on rear
but well well worth doing for year and such
only testable stuff to really worry about ,
be a decent project
offer him/her €2500 or are they on kronkies there still €2.5k sounds better than £2k and a bit
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Re: what gearbox should a 1990 1.6 jx td have
chances are the van has been robbed of some goodies before selling.
wheel trims , bumpers , chin spoiler , seats , bed , front table & bracket , rev counter , 5 speed box , handbrake cover , engine under tray plus anything else.
swapped the parts and selling it on probably - the brackets / infills for the rear bumper are still in place.
are the door panels correct or should they be grey caravelle type with chrome trim? are all roof lights double glazed or should all the windows be doubel glazed if the roof is?
interesting to see if the box change looks recent and if the stick ect has also all been changed
depending on which 4 spped box you have there may be no different in ratios to the 5 speed so you need to finding out the gearbox code which is more important than if its a 5 speed.
if its a n/a diesel then count on 50mph max drive home! ( they do 4 and 5 speed n/a diesel with same top speed!)
any problems with the box ( needs to be tried cold and hot) will mean a future rebuild
its got a powersteering wheel fitted so does it still have power steering? if it has and thats faulty , more £££££!s
are you collecting or having it deliverd? if collecting ask seller if everything works and can it all be seen working before payment ect. ask him to have the fridge on so it cold when you arrive.
dont forget to add a couple of hundred for registration purposes. also add the ' get it home costs' thats got to be around 500 more?
make sure you let the engine run for a good while , hopefully a t least 10 mile road test. check cambelt history ect , make sure all the dash lights work and work correctly!
wheel trims , bumpers , chin spoiler , seats , bed , front table & bracket , rev counter , 5 speed box , handbrake cover , engine under tray plus anything else.
swapped the parts and selling it on probably - the brackets / infills for the rear bumper are still in place.
are the door panels correct or should they be grey caravelle type with chrome trim? are all roof lights double glazed or should all the windows be doubel glazed if the roof is?
interesting to see if the box change looks recent and if the stick ect has also all been changed
depending on which 4 spped box you have there may be no different in ratios to the 5 speed so you need to finding out the gearbox code which is more important than if its a 5 speed.
if its a n/a diesel then count on 50mph max drive home! ( they do 4 and 5 speed n/a diesel with same top speed!)
any problems with the box ( needs to be tried cold and hot) will mean a future rebuild
its got a powersteering wheel fitted so does it still have power steering? if it has and thats faulty , more £££££!s
are you collecting or having it deliverd? if collecting ask seller if everything works and can it all be seen working before payment ect. ask him to have the fridge on so it cold when you arrive.
dont forget to add a couple of hundred for registration purposes. also add the ' get it home costs' thats got to be around 500 more?
make sure you let the engine run for a good while , hopefully a t least 10 mile road test. check cambelt history ect , make sure all the dash lights work and work correctly!
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Re: what gearbox should a 1990 1.6 jx td have
Ask him to have a look on the painted metal visible under the driver's side dash, just inside the door shut. There may still be the paper label with all the build detail on. If there is, that'll tell you the original engine and gearbox codes, together with all the spec. All the codes can be translated via a couple of sources - Brickyard or vw-mplate.com
Ours :-
Model Type 2 (T3) mod. 253 - Kombi, cargo door right, LHD
Chassis number WV2zzz25 z JH038454
Serial number 038 454
Modelyear 1988
Planned production date Tuesday, 10 November 1987
Number for production planning (temporary serial number) 0328
Type of engine Wattercooled Flat 4 - 2109cc (DJ), 82 kW (112 bhp DIN)
Type of transmission AAP - Manual 5-speed gearbox
Paint color LB3V - Titian Red Metallic
Destination Germany, Wunsdorf
M-CODE
085 Filled in factory with double amount of fuel (used for driving on and off the train, for example) -
165 Inspection cover lockable 251-256
308 Gas springs for a smooth opening tailgate 251-256
528 Convex rigth exterior mirror (passenger side) 245-256
690 Drivers seat as swiveling type (not with M340) 251-254
693 Drivers seat as swiveling type (not with M340) 251-254 [I suspect one of these should be "passenger"]
954 Michelin tires XTX 185R14C 8PR -
W14 Club Joker 3
I dunno which country yours started life in, but our '88 Club Joker (unmessed with) hasn't got or ever had a rear coolant heater. 'merkin Westies had them, but it must've been an option in Germany. If it was originally Danish, it may have had Scandi-spec stuff <shrug>
Ours :-
Model Type 2 (T3) mod. 253 - Kombi, cargo door right, LHD
Chassis number WV2zzz25 z JH038454
Serial number 038 454
Modelyear 1988
Planned production date Tuesday, 10 November 1987
Number for production planning (temporary serial number) 0328
Type of engine Wattercooled Flat 4 - 2109cc (DJ), 82 kW (112 bhp DIN)
Type of transmission AAP - Manual 5-speed gearbox
Paint color LB3V - Titian Red Metallic
Destination Germany, Wunsdorf
M-CODE
085 Filled in factory with double amount of fuel (used for driving on and off the train, for example) -
165 Inspection cover lockable 251-256
308 Gas springs for a smooth opening tailgate 251-256
528 Convex rigth exterior mirror (passenger side) 245-256
690 Drivers seat as swiveling type (not with M340) 251-254
693 Drivers seat as swiveling type (not with M340) 251-254 [I suspect one of these should be "passenger"]
954 Michelin tires XTX 185R14C 8PR -
W14 Club Joker 3
I dunno which country yours started life in, but our '88 Club Joker (unmessed with) hasn't got or ever had a rear coolant heater. 'merkin Westies had them, but it must've been an option in Germany. If it was originally Danish, it may have had Scandi-spec stuff <shrug>
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Re: what gearbox should a 1990 1.6 jx td have
metalmick8y wrote:as said its a decent buy at the money if it drives as it should, all of its do-able and worth doing
this breif list of works is not conclusive and appart from the belt mounts and maybe the steps if you get a strange tester, then its all optional and wont stop you using the van, certainly looks crap with the planks off and the wrong bumpers and the decent wheels removed but
Appx
osr battery box and bits inside
osr lower 1/4 panal
osr arch/winhg
nsr lower 1/4 possibly bat box area as well
ns lower outer sill
ns lower middle panal
" " inner closures
nsf arch/B post area prob inner part as well
ns belt anchorage
ns step
lower front panal
os step
os seatbelt anchorage
some of the window areas look a bit skanky
hitop sealing area on rear
but well well worth doing for year and such
only testable stuff to really worry about ,
be a decent project
offer him/her €2500 or are they on kronkies there still €2.5k sounds better than £2k and a bit
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where abouts on the van is the picture of the hole underneath or is it just sealant thats come away? will that need doing for the MOT?
the california never had side planks fitted as standard the atlantic did though and arnt the wheels standard just missing the full width wheel trim?
so the list you have made, does all that need to be done for it to pass an MOT or are you saying that all on the list will need to be done at some point
my main objective at the min is to get it through its mot
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it would as I said only really be the seat belt anchorages and maybe the steps dependant on the tester that would need to be done for test, cant see much else body chassis wise from the info ,
the rest is something you could or could not do over time choice woulkd be yours,
Its as billy says, its been robbed of the nice bits hence it looks wrong, my other worry would be ,why has he robbed it, is there something fundamentally wrong so hes chopped it and selling the residue onwards. i would be more concerened by the mechanical points raised like p.a.s and the like, unloved springs to mind, not saying write it off but do proceed with caution
and ref the wheels, well yes they are t25 wheels but dont they sort of look wrong like theyve just been fitted in place of something nicer, just a feeling I have,maybe ask the vendor
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the rest is something you could or could not do over time choice woulkd be yours,
Its as billy says, its been robbed of the nice bits hence it looks wrong, my other worry would be ,why has he robbed it, is there something fundamentally wrong so hes chopped it and selling the residue onwards. i would be more concerened by the mechanical points raised like p.a.s and the like, unloved springs to mind, not saying write it off but do proceed with caution
and ref the wheels, well yes they are t25 wheels but dont they sort of look wrong like theyve just been fitted in place of something nicer, just a feeling I have,maybe ask the vendor
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metalmick8y wrote:Its as billy says, its been robbed of the nice bits hence it looks wrong, my other worry would be ,why has he robbed it, is there something fundamentally wrong so hes chopped it and selling the residue onwards.
It may just be as simple as the plastic bumper shells were too marred by years of touch-parking, and he'd got some steel ones kicking about.
and ref the wheels, well yes they are t25 wheels but dont they sort of look wrong like theyve just been fitted in place of something nicer, just a feeling I have,maybe ask the vendor
Simple way would be to look at the rear studs, see if it'd had longer ones fitted for alloys, right?

Doesn't seem to have had, so I suspect it was just that the full-size plastic Cali/Atlantic ones had gone by the wayside. Some chopping about of the bed/base and front seat swappage - possibly just tired/ripped/stained trim? The roof vents don't seem to have leaked - the main roof trim doesn't seem to be warped and twisted, like ours is.
The control panel for the Eber's gone awol.

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Re: what gearbox should a 1990 1.6 jx td have
What is this ? ...

Is it a diesel part ? Or a rear ARB ? Never seen one on all the 2wd petrols I've laid under.
Ian

Is it a diesel part ? Or a rear ARB ? Never seen one on all the 2wd petrols I've laid under.
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Ian Hulley wrote:What is this ? ...
Is it a diesel part ? Never seen one on all the 2wd petrols I've laid under.
That's just in front of the LHR wheel, looking across towards the RHR wheel. The long pipe is the exhaust for the Eber from under the sliding door towards the LH trailing arm mount, behind the LPG tank. The stub is the drain for the main fresh water tank. Both perfectly normal Westy.
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AdrianC wrote: That's just in front of the LHR wheel, looking across towards the RHR wheel. The long pipe is the exhaust for the Eber from under the sliding door towards the LH trailing arm mount,
Mmm cheers Adrian, I knew where it was but not what it was.
Cheap as it is the van certainly has been de-blinged for sale at some point. I'd be checking to see if the common Westy failings are ok ... Eber, tap, hook-up/charging electrics and fridge. Otherwise you're buying cupboards and a big bill for bodywork.
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Re: what gearbox should a 1990 1.6 jx td have
factory full size hub caps ( plastic wheel trims) wheels came in black as pictured so its just lost its factory palstic trims
factory alloys used the factory wheel studs/bolts
although the whell carrier is different for alloys!
factory alloys used the factory wheel studs/bolts
although the whell carrier is different for alloys!