Diesel wont start

[williamraff]

Hi folks, new to the forum and have posted my introduction to the world of VW vans in the general section. I have a few questions and if anyone can offer any assistance it would be greatly appreciated.

Firstly, the engine code is 1V, I understand from the Brick yard that this is a 1.6 turbo diesel engine but mine does not have a turbo, was this an option or has someone just done away with it and if so is it ok to run a turbo diesel without a turbo?

Secondly, I am advised that it it has been stood idle for at least nine months, needless to say it wont start,

I have put fresh diesel in a container and submerged the fuel pipe from the pump into this,
I have connected a booster / starter and turned the engine over on the starter and opened the injector pipes at each injector in turn one at a time to try and expell any air.
I have made sure the cold start lever is operating correctly
I have cycled the glow plugs several times to try and aid starting (glow plug light stays on for 30 seconds)
Engine tries to run on easy start but wont pull fuel through ( no fuel coming out when injectors are cracked open)

I am not too hot on electronics but have a multi meter and test screwdriver to check for live feeds etc. If any one can provide any pointers i am only too glad to hear.

Many thanks,Will .

[fatfrosty1966]

Hi Will,if you read my post on this forum you may find something of help to you,i wish you luck!

[peteabbott]

Have you primed the pump ? Don,t want to teach you "to suck eggs" but the injector pump is also the lift pump. 1V ? could it be a non-turbo 1Y 1.9 ? Are you actually getting a supply to the glowplugs when you first switch on ? If not, take a look at the fuseable link in the black box. Mine will not start without the plugs even when hot and one of the two temperature sensors tells the relay that the engine is hot and switches off the plugs so if this sensor is faulty it may think the engine is hot and not let the plugs operate (disconnect both and try it). It fires with the dreaded easystart so it must be fuel or plugs. I removed the banjo on top of the pump and filled it with diesel to get it to prime. No fuel at the injector pipes ? then it is the pump not primed or knackered. Vrooom vroom, keep at it mate and let us know how you get on please.

[williamraff]

Hi Pete and no you are definitely not teaching me to suck eggs, I am only too willing to listen anybody kind enough to offer advice.
I have not primed the pump and given that no fuel is coming out of the pipes it is a perfectly logical suggestion, I will try this tomorrow.
I have not checked for voltage at the relay / fusible link or glowplugs so I will try and do that also.
I don't have a manual yet so I am not sure where the temperature senders are but I would imagine that they are somewhere around the cylinder head area so I will have a look.
My dodgy repair on the starter motor looks to be on its last legs (I bridged the burnt out braided copper wire between the solenoid and main body - lots of smoke and sparks when turning over!) so things may have to wait until my new starter motor comes.
I will try and upload some pics in the meantime for entertainment purposes - I have bought some rough vehicles in the past but this one takes some beating

I am determined to get it running though even if it is only to verify that the engine has had it, if it runs and keeps hold of its oil and water it will do for now until something a bit sexier comes along.

Cheers, Will .

[kit]

Prime the pump by removing the banjo where the leak off pipe goes into and suck up the fuel, fit a non return valve on the line between filter and pump, change the fuel filter then tow start it.


Oh and good luck.

[williamraff]

Prime the pump by removing the banjo where the leak off pipe goes into and suck up the fuel, fit a non return valve on the line between filter and pump, change the fuel filter then tow start it.


Oh and good luck.

Thanks, I can do all of that except the tow part - I don't have a tow bar , tow rope or anyone I would trust to tow me and the van doesn't have any brakes yet but hopefully my starter motor will be here by the weekend and I can at least spin it over safely.

I will advise on progress.

Thanks,Will .

[williamraff]

Hi Will,if you read my post on this forum you may find something of help to you,i wish you luck!

Hi and thanks, I have tried or will be trying most things in your post, I will advise on progress.
Thanks,Will .

[protexblue]

Hi Will
Have you checked stop solenoid on injection pump? You should hear it click when a live is fed to it.

[williamraff]

Hi Will
Have you checked stop solenoid on injection pump? You should hear it click when a live is fed to it.

No not yet, should I hear a click when the ignition is switched on i.e to disengage it or when the ignition is switched off i.e to engage it?

Thanks,Will.

[protexblue]

Ignition on click, lets fuel through.

[williamraff]

Ignition on click, lets fuel through.

Gotcha, thanks I will check that out.

[williamraff]

Hi folks, just a quick thank you to everybody who offered assistance to get my recent acquisition running and to make things even better it was on my birthday

I have posted a quick video to show her running, this is the first time in God knows how long but it sounds promising. There was no smoke on start up and I didn't notice any bearing rumble so assuming she holds oil and water I think she will be ok, just a bit tappety I think?

To get her running I followed the advice kindly provided in the previous posts, I also bought a cheap hand held vacuum pump from ebay £18.00 to pull the fuel through - (well worth it and I will use it for bleeding the clutch and brakes) hand primed the pump with diesel in a washing up liquid bottle, opened the injector pipes at the injector end to bleed the air whilst cranking the engine, then to my utter amazement it started trying to fire whilst I was tightening the injector pipes back up.

I rigged a temporary fuel supply up to keep the fuel coming through, then connected everything up properly and off she went under her own steam.

You will see from the videos that there is a lot of work to do but I know she is a runner it does not seem quite so bad.

Thanks again to every body who offered advice and assistance, well done!

All the best,Will .



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA_XtetS248

[kit]

Sounds good to me

[rob1927]

Hi Will the donor engine i am rebuilding at the moment is a 1V, i heard from a very reliable source that the 1V(eco diesel) has hydraulic tappets, there should be a turbo, i;m pretty sure the pump is a none turbo pump on the 1V and the injectors are 130(?)bar as opposed to 155 bar turbo injectors.
I'm using a JX turbo pump and injectors for the rebuild so should in theory end up with a JX.
I might possibly have a spare turbo but i'm located in Finland. Glad you got it running.

[williamraff]

Hi Will the donor engine i am rebuilding at the moment is a 1V, i heard from a very reliable source that the 1V(eco diesel) has hydraulic tappets, there should be a turbo, i;m pretty sure the pump is a none turbo pump on the 1V and the injectors are 130(?)bar as opposed to 155 bar turbo injectors.
I'm using a JX turbo pump and injectors for the rebuild so should in theory end up with a JX.
I might possibly have a spare turbo but i'm located in Finland. Glad you got it running.

Thanks Rob, to be honest I don't know what engine / pump I have got in mine, I do know that it has started throwing clouds of white smoke out and when i took it for a short drive I could have walked faster so something is not right.
The problem is I don't have any test equipment to check things out so I may have to just swap this for a known good engine?
I am not sure whether it is economical to re build one of these?

Regards,Will.