Engine Types

[0898holly]

Hi All,

New to the site and to T25's to please be gentle!!!

Sorry if this is duplicate post, I looked around the site but could not find what I needed......


I am lookin for a new project and want to get a T25 (if you know of one in the cheshire area let me know). Can someone please advise on engine types?

I am an intermediate DIY mechanic and want to know which engine to look out for (not got the van yet!).

I've been advised the 1.6 engines are underpowered and that the air cooled have complex / expensive ducting systems but I thought I'd come ask the experts (hope the flattery works)!!

Are there different "sub types" of engines? What is a WBX I keep hearing about?

Are there better years of engines?

Are they all considered "crap" and I should be looking to put an alternative such as the golf TDI?

What about gearbox? Are there 5 speed versions?

Does the 1.9 easily convert to LPG.


Thanks in advance,
-Steav

[R0B]

Welcome to 8090.Have a look in the alternative engine forum...

[0898holly]

Thanks Rob, Interesting reading!

Doesnt cover all questions but a good help. What is an TD AAZ?

[kevtherev]

Are there different "sub types" of engines? What is a WBX I keep hearing about?

Air cooled

CT 1,6l 4-cyl. Flat4 air-cooled 79 to 82 37Kw / 50bhp.

CU 2,0l 4-cyl. Flat4 air-cooled 79 to 82 51Kw / 70bhp.

CV 2,0l 4-cyl. Flat4 air-cooled 79 to 82 51kw / 70bhp injection for usa.

Water-cooled- petrol. or WBX (waterboxer)

DF 1,9l 4-cyl. Flat4 water-cooled from 82on 44Kw / 60bhp.

DG 1,9l 4-cyl. Flat4 water-cooled from 82on 57Kw / 78bhp.

GW 1,9l 4-cyl. Flat4 water-cooled with injection 83 to 85 66kw / 90bhp.

MV 2,1l 4-cyl. Flat4 water-cooled with injection and cat from 85on 70kw / 95bhp or 89bhp with auto-box.

DJ 2,1l 4-cyl. Flat4 water-cooled with injection from 85on 82kw / 112bhp.

SS 2,1l 4-cyl. Flat4 water-cooled with injection and cat from 89on 68kw / 92bhp

EY 1,9l 4-cyl. Flat4 water-cooled from 85on 40kw / 55bhp.

SP 1,9l 4-cyl. Flat4 water-cooled from 86on 54kw / 73bhp for Swiss export.

DH 1,9l 4-cyl. Flat4 water-cooled with injection and cat from 84 to 85 61kw / 83bhp.

SR 2,1l 4-cyl. Flat4 water-cooled with injection and cat from 86on 64kw / 87bhp for Swiss export.


Diesel - water-cooled.

CS 1,6l 4-cyl. Upright Diesel from 81 to 87 37kw / 50bhp.

KY 1,7l 4-cyl. Upright Diesel from 87on 42Kw / 57bhp.

JX 1,6l 4-cyl. Upright turbo Diesel from 85on 51Kw / 70bhp.

AAZ 1,9l 4-cyl Upright Turbo Diesel, Popular conversion 75bp.

Information courtesy of BRICKYARD

Are there better years of engines?

no

Are they all considered "crap" and I should be looking to put an alternative such as the golf TDI?

no

What about gearbox? Are there 5 speed versions?

yep

Does the 1.9 easily convert to LPG.

very easily

you'll get a better response to fewer questions at a time... what's the rush.. you ain't even got one yet!

[kevtherev]

02/05/79 24 A 0000 001 > Start of VW T3 production at Hanover
1980 Model Year.

1981 Model Year.
01/01/81 24 B 079 862 > Intro of 1.6D "CS" Engine (introduced feb '81)
Mid Jan '81 > 24 B 085 100 End of metal air vents in rear corner pillar.
Mid Jan '81 24 B 085 101 > Introduction of plastic vent inserts into rear pillars.
1982 Model Year
Sept '81 Caravelle shown at frankfurt motorshow
01/08/81 24 C 000 001 > Speedo cable now clips onto speedo head.
1983 Model Year
01/08/82 24 D 000 001 > Intro of DF engine.
01/08/82 24 D 000 001 > intro of DG engine.
01/08/82 24 D 000 001 > Blade fusebox introduced.
01/08/82 24 D 000 001 > intro of 5 speed gearbox.
>12/82 > 24 D 051 580 end of production of Aircooled engines(Mid nov)
01/08/82 25 D 000 001 > Introduction of rear heater.
Mid April '83 24 D 089 698 > WBX cooloing system revised.
1984 Model Year
Aug '83 "Bus" name dropped, now" Caravelle", "Camping" also dropped in favour of "Joker"
01/08/83 24 E 000 001 > Introduction of air conditioning.
Mid August '83 > 24 E 000 213 End of metal filler necks.
Mid August '83 24 E 000 214 > Start of plastic filler neck.
30/11/83 > 24 E 056 804 End of early plastic round grille 95mm badge.
01/12/83 24 E 056 805 > Start of late plastic grille round 125mm badge.
Mid July '84 > 24 E 145 000 end of 2 bolt anti roll bar clip.
Mid July '84 24 E 145 001 > Start of one bolt anti roll bar clip.
31/07/84 > 24 E 175 000 old sliding door.
1985 Model Year
01/08/84 24 F 000 001 > Start of production of Syncro.
01/08/84 24 F 000 001 > Intro of 1.6TD "JX" engine.
01/08/84 24 F 000 001 > New sliding door and hinges.
01/08/84 24 F 000 001 > New instruments, different plug, VW DOP system introduced.
01/08/84 24 F 000 001 > Straight anti roll bar link rod.
Sept '85 Caravelle Carat intorduced.
Mid September '84 > 24 F 019 682 end of early 2 piece stamped & welded lower arm.
Mid September '84 24 F 019 683 > Start of cast/forged lower arm.
Mid September '84 > 25 F 028 044 End of chrome bumpers.
Mid Dec '84 > 24 F 055 252 End of early handbrake lever design.
Mid Dec '84 24 F 055 253 > New handbrake lever design.
Mid January '84 > 24 F 060 000 end of metal front to rear coolant pipes.
Mid January '84 24 F 060 001 > intro of plastic front the rear coolant pipes.
Mid April '84 24 F 100 001 > Start of electric mirrors.
1986 Model Year.
01/06/86 24 G 118 222 > Introduction of 19mm antiroll bar on all models except Ambulance, Campers, -30mm suspension and strengthend axles.
30/06/86 > 24 G 126 906 End of Early brakes, 2 piston, square pads.
01/07/86 24 G 126 907 > Late brakes, one piston, sliding caliper.
1990 Model Year.
Mid Jan '90 >24 K 048 497 End of syncro front track control arm-pressed.
Mid Jan '90 24 K 048 498 > Start of syncro front track control arm - cast.
Sept '90 Last T3 rolls of Hanover production line in Germany.
1991 Model Year.
01/09/90 70 M 000 001 > T4 production starts at Hanover. ('91 model year)
1992 Model year.
31/07/92 > 24 N 015 000 End of T3 production at Graz Syncro factory in Austria.

information courtesy of BRICKYARD

[0898holly]

Thanks, these are really good posts.

I guess I'm just over excited!

Has anyone got experience on working on these engines? Are any easier to work on?

Am I right to keep away from the air-cooled?

-S

[Ian Hulley]

I guess I'm just over excited!

Calm down dear, it's only a commercial !

Has anyone got experience on working on these engines?

Oh yes !

Are any easier to work on?

As simple as they get.

Am I right to keep away from the air-cooled?

Horses for courses ... you just don't get as many OF the horses that's all.

Ian

[0898holly]

Ha! class!

Just been to look at an 82 1.6 Air cooled and that is a simple looking engine. I was looking for the crank handle and the candle ignition system!

They tell me it suffers from a compression issue. Is there this a common fault? Are there any other "common faults" with the VW engines?

-Steve

[jamesc76]

Ha! class!

Just been to look at an 82 1.6 Air cooled and that is a simple looking engine. I was looking for the crank handle and the candle ignition system!

They tell me it suffers from a compression issue. Is there this a common fault? Are there any other "common faults" with the VW engines?

-Steve

you really need to use search! there are hundreds and hundreds of common faults with engines! I went to collage for over a year to learn to be a mechanic and that was just an intro you want my notes

loss of compression, is it on one cylinder or all, could be a multitude of things, when looking at vans get the one with the best body work, bugger the engine they can be fixed replaced alot cheaper than panels , tho dont get one that has just been re sprayed, unless it comes with before during and after pics!

[kevtherev]

Faults?
Not faults ...VW didn't make faulty engines
they are all very old and high mileage engines, probably higher than any other 80's van.
wear is inevitable and it then depends on how the previous owners looked after it.
look at a VW flat four as you would at any other high mileage motor, look for smoke and leaks... simple

Air cooled engines are simple because they were designed that way...are you sure you get VW and what it means?

[0898holly]

when looking at vans get the one with the best body work, bugger the engine they can be fixed replaced alot cheaper than panels , tho dont get one that has just been re sprayed, unless it comes with before during and after pics!

.....Yeah, been thinking the same thing. Welding is not my strong point.

Air cooled engines are simple because they were designed that way...are you sure you get VW and what it means?

.... I'm hoping for a nice project to while a way a lazy sunday. I've currently got a converted ex forestry commission ford transit and have been spending a bit of time tinkering, replacing water pump etc. Its a great van but I don't want to tinker too much incase I take it off line for too long! I guess I'm after some advise from those that have been through it before to ensure I dont pick up a dog that will drain my cash and enthusiasm!

Just trying to find out as much as possible so I dont end up with a new, rather large garden ornament!

[0898holly]

Ha!

Has anyone seen that if you type f_o_r_d t_r_a_n_s_i_t without the _ it is transformed to ford transit. Guess the creator is not a fan!

[Ian Hulley]

Part of the charm of the place ... like looking up rude words in a dictionary

Ian

[0898holly]

fiat ducato
talbot
honda
hymler
hymar

hmmm... Think he's racest to the t_r_a_n_s_i_t.....

[Ian Hulley]

Nope, it's Fjordist