Intermittent power loss on 1.6TD - garage "baffled"

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Intermittent power loss on 1.6TD - garage "baffled"

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Last year, at vast expense, we had our engine (Vege) and gearbox reconditioned, a new clutch and turbo, and replaced everything else that our local VW specialist garage recommended we do at the same time.

But we still have trouble…

The van starts well and runs smoothly and powerfully for a while – say for 10 or 15 miles or so – but then will suddenly completely loose power without warning. It’s as though I’ve taken my foot off the accelerator pedal, except that I haven’t. If I then take my foot off the peddle for a second or two, it picks up again and runs normally, but often the fault will recur several times in quick succession although the engine never actually cuts out. Sometimes, having done this, it will then run smoothly again without further problem. Needless to say, when the garage takes it out it runs perfectly!

The fault often occurs when were ‘cruising’ in the 50-60 range and going slightly up hill (not steep), but it can occur at almost anytime.

They’ve replaced the fuel filter but it didn’t cure it and are now proposing that we check the fuel tank next (which isn’t covered by the warranty). I never run the tank low and wonder whether they’re just clutching at straws. A knowledgeable friend thinks air might be getting into the fuel system, perhaps via one of the seals on the fuel pump, but this would be expensive to test.

The other two potential red herrings I’ll throw into the ring are:

1) The glow plug light on the dash never seems to go out by itself – I just wait what seems a reasonable time then turn the ignition – at which point it always starts and the light goes out immediately.
2) It’s smokier than I was expecting following the rebuild and smells quite oily after switch off. However, the sump oil level has hardly changed so I wonder whether it’s just the normal diesel smell.

I’ve just been made redundant, so further expensive repairs are out of the question. And we’ve already spent thousands and still haven’t got a reliable van. :(

I’ve checked back through the posts but can’t find anything that quite matches, so any help and advice would be very welcome.

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Re: Intermittent power loss on 1.6TD - garage "baffled"

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On the fuel injection pump there is a fuel solonoid valve.When the ignition is turned on a 12 volt supply opens the valve for fuel.Check the condition of the solonoid valve & 12volt supply to it when the ignition is on.

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A small postscript...

My wife followed me home today. She said the van smelled very oily indeed - she had to shut the car window - and was very smokey - blueish grey. But it isn't using any oil. Could an over-rich mix be the problem?

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There shouldnt be the smells you are discribing.I suggest you take the engine cover off and look for oil or fuel leaks on or around the engine.

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Thanks for the suggestions, I'll certainly check out the solonoid.

The smell is mainly when the engine is running, it's much fainter when turned off. There are no oil drips under the engine and no obvious sign of leaks - it all looks pretty clean.

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Re: Intermittent power loss on 1.6TD - garage "baffled"

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Sounds to me as though the timing might not be bob on, white-ish smoke and a strong diesel smell can be signs of retarded timing.

The sudden power loss could be the Blow off valve aka inlet manifold pressure regulating valve. They are known to be an issue. If you look in your engine bay, just to the left of the rocker cover nearest you (the back of the van) there's a black plastic cylindrical thing attached to the inlet manifold. There's a screw in the centre of this that might have come loose meaning that when the boost level increases as you put your foot down, the valve opens and lets all the pressure go. Try tightening the screw up.

Its also possible that the valve might just be duff, in which case you can replace the spring inside it with a small piece of metal tube, essentially blocking the valve shut for good.

Get the garage to check your timing, including the pump timing!, could solve the smoking issue.

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Re: Intermittent power loss on 1.6TD - garage "baffled"

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Thanks, really appreciate your suggestion.

I'm going back to the garage tomorrow. If anyone has any other suggestions or ideas, please let me know - I'd really like to cure this frustrating problem and finally begin to enjoy the van at last.

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Post by norman »

hi there , the symptoms that you are experiencing are not too far removed from my own 86 1600 td doka , pump timing is o/k had that checked ,the pressure regulating valve i will check that out myself, (nice one v-lux ) mine holds back on inclines and between 50-60 mph, no oil leaks , bluish white smoke if driven hard and on start up starts 1st turn when cold but once its been running for a few minutes takes a while, no apparent oil loss , and dipstick shows nothing untoward,
tell me does it run hot where does the temp gauge record between 50-60 and on inclines.

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Re: Intermittent power loss on 1.6TD - garage "baffled"

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No evidence of overheating, providing the gauge is trustworthy on mine. It's pretty much in the middle once warm and hardly moves. I'll post back if the garage manage to find anything.

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