Jacking Point - MOT Fail???

[Cruz]

The front jacking point bracket has snapped away from the sill, offending area is marked red on the image belwo that I stole from the wiki

The MOT is coming up in the next month so would it fail on this? I have a replacement bracket

[weldore]

If there is no jacking point then they cant fail it on it.

the very words from mr fullsunian
So it should be fine..should

[Cruz]

The bracket is there. It has just snapped away from the sill where the red lines are.

[weldore]

ahh,so its all there apart from two crack lines..is thwere no-one near who could chuck some weld on it ?

[HarryMann]

The question is:

What is the surrounding sill and B-pillar structure like ?

Probably a moot point whether the jacking point is there or not, as despite MOT wording, body's structural stiffness depends on sills and cantilevers


Seems a bit of a strange one, normally everything internal folds up first and that thick stuff stays put or just bends a bit. Sounds like maybe incipient problem has been overlooked for some time...

[weldore]

isnt that lower part of the jack guide just welded to the upper section that runs up the pillar ?..praps the welds have broke..or as harryman says,there something more

[Cruz]

A bit of background. The inner sill was replaced which meant that jacking guide bracket was removed about 2 years ago. I never had to jack the van up until recently when I found the bracket had been put back at slighlty the wrong angle and the jack bar would not go in the hole and align with the locking hole at the rear. It was me wrenching and writhing at it like a plonker that snapped the weld. The rest of the area is as solid as a rock apart from that jack guide bracket.

Either way I have booked it in to get it repaired for gratis by the person who welded it back in wrong (he has been called a donut) and the MOT has been re-arranged for after the work has been done.

That's the beauty of booking the MOT a month early

[Plasticman]

As said, if the bit doing the work is good(as in your case) then this part is only the guide to locate the jack in the orifice, nice word that!, tried to figure how it cracked and broke in normal use, then you enlightened with the "abuse"
mike

[Cruz]

Yep. It lookd like the back of the bracket had been refitted too far up the back of the inner sill so when I put the jack bar in the hole the bar hardly went in and made the bar angle up. I broke it trying to force it in level....oooeer

[billy739]

front jacking points are NOT fail no matyter how much corrosion ther is.
in fact other than within 12inches of the REAR swing arm mounting the whole length of the sill CANNOT be failed for corrosion even if completely missing!

[Cruz]

Cheers. All

[Cyrus]

in fact other than within 12inches of the REAR swing arm mounting the whole length of the sill CANNOT be failed for corrosion even if completely missing!

Could you enlightened me, Is this because t25s have a chassis? And the sill isn't structural?

[billy739]

more just the mot regs

the van dosent have a seperate chassis , its monocouque
asa with most cars/vans with this body design it does have chassis rails/legs just like a vw golf car

put very basically- rust is allowed as long as it dosent effect steering or braking or within 12inches of a brake / steering/ suspension mounting or be so bad that it creates a sharpe edge that can injure a pedestrian


poor mot regs, for example-( i think they changed the rules now) but with sharp edges these could only be failed if caused by corrosion or accident damage ,so in other words it was ok to stick razor blades on your body work(not accident/corrosion) , but a rusted sharp wheel arch is a fail!

the problem with the mot is that an mot tested cannot decide for himself given his years of experience what is a fail , he is told by the ministry+book what is a fail , sometimes this is not as per common sense and testers do decide what should/shouldnt fail, hence the difference in critera from test staion to test station

[Cyrus]

Thanks, makes things a bit clearer now.

[billy739]

no prob

i was a tester for 10+ years
but happy to be corrected by a present tester if i need to be