If you are considering a S/Steel exhaust system...

Big lumps of metals and spanners.

Moderators: User administrators, Moderators

Cruz
Registered user
Posts: 3919
Joined: 12 Oct 2005, 10:40
80-90 Mem No: 2092

Re: If you are considering a S/Steel exhaust system...

Post by Cruz »

kevtherev wrote:Do they change the engine mount then or fit their own stuff?.
I'm sure you know about that, but I'm thinking about the cradles for the box that won't fit to early mounts.

No mention of changing the engine mount asked them a few times about the van having no support brackets. They said they had fit the system to early vans with no problems.

If you look at the speedshop exhaust it says it fits early and late vans and that looks a substantial piece of kit too

I will probably ring them tomorrow just to clarify as sometimes you get a different answer from someone else

Speedshop

Image

JP Exhaust

Image

User avatar
kevtherev
Registered user
Posts: 18832
Joined: 23 Oct 2005, 20:13
80-90 Mem No: 2264
Location: Country estate Wolverhampton Actually

Re: If you are considering a S/Steel exhaust system...

Post by kevtherev »

I'm sure it will fit with no problems, but I would be concerned (probably unecessarily) about all that unsupported weight causing metal fatigue at the welded flanges.
the JP exhaust looks like an early exhaust with a bit more pipe and less box.
AGG 2.0L 8V. (Golf GTi MkIII)

Cruz
Registered user
Posts: 3919
Joined: 12 Oct 2005, 10:40
80-90 Mem No: 2092

Re: If you are considering a S/Steel exhaust system...

Post by Cruz »

it's guaranteed for life so I assume they know what they are doing.

then again you know what assume does?

User avatar
CovKid
Trader
Posts: 8411
Joined: 30 Apr 2006, 13:19
80-90 Mem No: 3529
Location: Ralph - Coventry (Retired)
Contact:

Re: If you are considering a S/Steel exhaust system...

Post by CovKid »

The speedshop one looks almost identical to my homebrew one in the WIKI but as I used a Kawasaki can, it came with a convenient mounting bracket which can either be bolted to the engine with a metal strap, or as I did, a bungee'd to a convenient spot.
Roller paint your camper at home: http://roller.epizy.com/55554/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for MP4 download.

User avatar
kevtherev
Registered user
Posts: 18832
Joined: 23 Oct 2005, 20:13
80-90 Mem No: 2264
Location: Country estate Wolverhampton Actually

Re: If you are considering a S/Steel exhaust system...

Post by kevtherev »

yep makes an ass of u and me
Look I'm probably over reacting here, but i did see a stainless exhaust destroy itself over a few months, due to an unsupported muffler.
..you don't spend all that money for it to crack after a year gauarantees or not, it's the hassle that I'd hate.
AGG 2.0L 8V. (Golf GTi MkIII)

Cruz
Registered user
Posts: 3919
Joined: 12 Oct 2005, 10:40
80-90 Mem No: 2092

Re: If you are considering a S/Steel exhaust system...

Post by Cruz »

Rang them again just to confirm and they said it would be tailor made to the van when it was on the ramp.

User avatar
pionte
Registered user
Posts: 549
Joined: 17 Oct 2009, 10:35
80-90 Mem No: 8209
Location: Tonbridge Kent

Re: If you are considering a S/Steel exhaust system...

Post by pionte »

you wouldnt think that it would be so hard

The choice seems to be between JK ones, cheap but made from the compressed cardboard, stainless steel , hugely expensive and may have problems with early type set ups as the silencer is not supported, or make your own up using a mixture of parts from different Air cooled VW and bike manufacturers.....

Hobsons choice springs to mind !


When I have replaced exhausts on cars ( and I have replaced lots over the years ) even the cheap non OE ones are expected to last 3 or 4 years before they rot through, I have heard stories of the JK ones rotting within a year.... I know the look / noise that I want to achieve but even the stainless steel ones dont offer much choice in noise level options.

The bluebird one looks like I want, but at over £300 just for the silencer is prohibitive .

If someone made a standard steel system that would last 2 0r 3 years and could sell it at around £200 I think that most people would go for it??

Mart.
2.5 Quad Cam Scooby engine . Westfalia California 1989

User avatar
uniB
Trader
Posts: 314
Joined: 15 May 2007, 00:01
80-90 Mem No: 3694
Location: Sheffield
Contact:

Re: If you are considering a S/Steel exhaust system...

Post by uniB »

pionte wrote:
If someone made a standard steel system that would last 2 0r 3 years and could sell it at around £200 I think that most people would go for it??

Mart.

Personally I'd rather pay £600/£700 and not have to worry about it again, there's enough stuff to worry about every couple of years!

Dav, Caryl & Mr O Leary

http://www.dubteriors.co.uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; - I make quality VW interiors

User avatar
fairwynds
Registered user
Posts: 749
Joined: 22 Jan 2007, 23:52
80-90 Mem No: 3288
Location: West Sussex

Re: If you are considering a S/Steel exhaust system...

Post by fairwynds »

Update:
(see Cruz's other recent thread in Tech too)
am going to local stainless steel pipe specialists near me tomorow, with the old JK mild steel system for my early DG. They have been very keen to help but we wont know til tomorrow whether they can do it/ what they can do / how much etc.
Will post again when I know....
FW
1.9 DG Bilbos 'Arragon' Hitop LPG'd by Gasure
1.9 TDi Golf Mk4 Estate
Member no 3288

User avatar
CovKid
Trader
Posts: 8411
Joined: 30 Apr 2006, 13:19
80-90 Mem No: 3529
Location: Ralph - Coventry (Retired)
Contact:

Re: If you are considering a S/Steel exhaust system...

Post by CovKid »

Personally I'd rather pay £600/£700 and not have to worry about it again, there's enough stuff to worry about every couple of years!

£600 would worry me.....

And fairywynds, I too found a local place that does the pipework incl bends for £25 a metre.
Roller paint your camper at home: http://roller.epizy.com/55554/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for MP4 download.

Cruz
Registered user
Posts: 3919
Joined: 12 Oct 2005, 10:40
80-90 Mem No: 2092

Re: If you are considering a S/Steel exhaust system...

Post by Cruz »

Though JP say they will make supports for the silencer on my early van I am still not convinced.

Jp exhaust is £690 fitted

or should I just get Brickwerks to fit a vwspeedshop exhaust for £420+fitting costs as per my original plan???

Flipping VW and their design changes

User avatar
kevtherev
Registered user
Posts: 18832
Joined: 23 Oct 2005, 20:13
80-90 Mem No: 2264
Location: Country estate Wolverhampton Actually

Re: If you are considering a S/Steel exhaust system...

Post by kevtherev »

I changed the mount cost me a tenner.
cradles are plentyfull in the breakers.
then I fitted the later system in steel.. I intend to fit the stainless late system later
AGG 2.0L 8V. (Golf GTi MkIII)

Cruz
Registered user
Posts: 3919
Joined: 12 Oct 2005, 10:40
80-90 Mem No: 2092

Re: If you are considering a S/Steel exhaust system...

Post by Cruz »

By cradle do you mean number 5 on this image 025-199-221A?

Image

And these mounts?

http://www.brickwerks.co.uk/index.php?p ... t&Itemid=6

Seems like a lot more messing

User avatar
paul66beetle
Registered user
Posts: 290
Joined: 05 Aug 2010, 09:22
80-90 Mem No: 8687
Location: East Sussex
Contact:

Re: If you are considering a S/Steel exhaust system...

Post by paul66beetle »

[quote="Cruz"]

If you look at the speedshop exhaust it says it fits early and late vans and that looks a substantial piece of kit too

I will probably ring them tomorrow just to clarify as sometimes you get a different answer from someone else

Speedshop

Image

I like the look of this too, but will the rear valance need some chopping/modificatin to fit? Compared to a stock exhaust it looks like it sticks out too far from the back? Also £325 is not a bad price to bolt up to an Aircooled CU engines heat exchangers.

Cruz
Registered user
Posts: 3919
Joined: 12 Oct 2005, 10:40
80-90 Mem No: 2092

Re: If you are considering a S/Steel exhaust system...

Post by Cruz »

Others have fit it without reporting the need to chop the valance Paul

Locked