009 fitting

[vdubwill]

hey guys

the bearings in my distributer on my 1900cc 84 watercooled T25 have gone.

chatted to a guy from just kampers at volksworld and he said it is fine to fit a 009 (as i already had one from my baja)

he said about disconnecting the electronic ignition form the original, when looking in my engine bay to do the job, would he of ment disconnecting just from the dizzy and tucking the wire away or unplugging the lot from Ignition Control Unit the top left of the engine bay???


cheers for your help

will

[kevtherev]

no no no no NO

it will not work

[vdubwill]

????????

why not, Just kampers guy said it should be ok running it on points

what is best to do?????

[kevtherev]

T25's came from the factory with electronic ignition... why go back to the stone age and fit a points system, that you have to change the coil and richen the mixture for, that is notoriously useless at keeping the timing right.

it will not work right and you'll waste your money trying to get it to work.

put an ad in wanted for a second hand T25 dizzy. or a Bosch 007

[waltraud]

Thing is, over the years companies have sold 009's as a cheap replacement for all sorts of original distributors which on VW's both air and water cooled were always vacuum advanced. This is because the vacuum adjustment allows for a change in the engine's advance curve i.e. the way it takes up speed under load...effectively, with a 009 and with no vacuum advance you end up with a very crude way of managing the way the ngine performs under load.....essentially the engine will need to run richer than it should in order to make us of the 009. They don't tell you this when selling one and in a common sense way it might seem easier to ditch the original and go for a cheaper, apparently straightforward alternative. I very much agree with Kev and from previous experience on air cooled engined busses (i did once play with a 009) they run better, smoother and more economically with the proper vw set up. + you'll only pay 30 quid or so on here for the right one and ask for your money back on the 009 on the basis that it's not fit for purpose. Good luck.

Tim

[CovKid]

They don't even run well on bugs UNLESS you've done some serious work to cam, big end etc as part of a performance rebuild. They will not improve performance or economy and will if anything, make things far worse. The only thing a 009 is fit for is getting home in a dire emergency but it is absolutely no match for the right dizzy. 009 does not mean 007, speed, wonder dizzy or anything similar. Its a makeshift 'wild guess' job and thats that.

[toomanytoys]

WTS^^^^^^

It will never run right and unless you fit a suitable coil for the 009, it will eat points... dont bother and get a good used electronic one..

Also have the brearings realy gone ?? I have several differnt dizzys off different engines and none have wear.. the original one on my 1983 caravelle has done 300k miles.. still perfect.. The Syncro has 150k miles and still perfect..

[kevtherev]

good poin Si re bearings.. by "gone" what does that mean?

[vdubwill]

thanks for your advice


the 009 is one i have had for years on the bug so thankfully not been sold anything yet.

i have had a few running problems with the van for a while, runs well then suddnely looses all power, back fires, cut outs, lacks response from acceleration etc simular to if there was a hole in the inlet.

than it will run fine, so i changed, plugs, leads, coil, ran fine for a few months, then did it again, put a new cap and rotar arm in, it ran and sounded nicer than ever for a month, than it played up again.
popped the cap off there was orange swarf in the cap where i guess the rotar had hit the side of cap, someone said about bearings,
popped the dizzy out, shaft has slight wobble to it and does not rotate smoothly.

so next step is replace that a see if things any better

[toomanytoys]

WHat engine code is it? DG? I may have a good one in the box, I might sell

Sounds like some plumpton has had it out and dropped it... or had it apart and miss installed the shims...

[jason k]

baxter sells rebuild kits

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[vdubwill]

WHat engine code is it? DG? I may have a good one in the box, I might sell

Sounds like some plumpton has had it out and dropped it... or had it apart and miss installed the shims...

yes it is a DG code

[CovKid]

Midlands is full of old lathe guys that continue to do work in their own time in garages, garden sheds etc. These guys are really knowledgable and would have no problem refurbishing a distributor shaft or making new pieces from scratch which would last another 20 years if not longer depending on materials chosen. Likewise the kind of engineers you find in model engineering societies are often helpful.

[toomanytoys]

Brickwerks doesnt do parts to renovate a worn dizzy drive.. just the parts to refub the vac and electronic parts...

By the time you have found a goo old chap to make a new shaft/bushing etc etc... it would have been quicker cheaper and easier to buy a used one...

[CovKid]

If you can find a used one that isn't worn too. Some of these T25s are 25 - 30 years old now. A rebuild needn't be that expensive and even if it worked out the same as a new 009, it'll still be a better dizzy. Its also possible to rework a 009 - seen that done.