ANY DIESEL EXPERTS OUT THERE?

[oldiguana]

sounds abite rayt owducks.....you can borrow my timing tools that ive made if your anywhere round stoke owduck...the pump lockin thingy,the flat bar for the cam and the tool i use to hold the cam pulley while i tighten the bolt up.........but i would give the owd easy start i miss duck...ive seen it do some rather nasty things to engines in the past.........id come give thee a hand but im car less at the mo after the missus smashed me car up in the snow the other week!!!!!!

["WEAZLECHIN"]

thats better, it was just the pump bit that i didnt get. i will do it when the weather permits..thanks for the replies

["WEAZLECHIN"]

right, finally got round to doing it this weekend. guess what? its p1$$ing down, so forget it.
one more question, when doing the pump timing as described(may have a DTI tool tomorrow) how do you find out which cylinder is being fuelled if the belt slipped ? if you see hat i mean? or will the measurement on the DTI tool verify that.....

[peteabbott]

The hole in the pump pulley lines up with a hole in the pump casing........yeah ? With these holes lined up the pump is somewhere in line for No.1 cylinder. (With a firing order of 1-3-4-2 if you turned the pump pulley through 90 degrees clockwise would be No.3 cylinder and again 90 degrees No.4 and so on. So one revolution of the pump would give 1-3-4-2 cycle) SO.......
No.1 cylinder TDC
Camshaft locked in place (slot on end both cam lobes on No.1 cylinder will be uppermost)
Suitable sized pin through pump pulley and into casing
Fit your nice new belt and tensioner
Spanner the engine over a couple of times (all locking bits removed) and recheck everything lines up as above.
Now fit your DTI and spanner the engine so that No.1 cylinder is top dead center.
Turn the engine backwards and you will see the needle on the DTI moving and then it stops moving, turn the engine to and fro until you find the point where the needle JUST starts to move.
Now from this point zero the guage and turn the engine to bring No.1 TDC and take your measurement. 0.98mm ?
With the adjustment on the pump pulley (3 bolts in slotted holes) carry out the adjustment to achieve 0.98mm when cylinder No.1 is TDC.

I would just add that if it is the original pump there is a good chance that as long as you fit the new belt with all the bits locked and in the right place the timing will be OK anyway. Hope I havn,t confused you mate and other members please feel free to chip in if I have got something wrong or missed something. Good luck, summers comming.

["WEAZLECHIN"]

now that reply clears it all up.
an excellent description, its something i havent done before(obviously), i am buying the cam tools tomorrow and hopefully someone is lending me the DTI. thanks again for the reply

[peteabbott]

Been a nice day today.........................VROOM VROOM ? ?

["WEAZLECHIN"]

it has to be said, i am getting kin peed off now. anyone see any marks for timing/firing,locking pins or anything? no nor me!
dont even know which injector is about to be fuelled?

oh great, those photos are massive arent they!!

[peteabbott]

Think your bottom piccie is the camshaft pulley and you lock this in position as shown in this link...............

http://www.vwdieselparts.com/injtim.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Is the white "dot" on the pump pulley painted over a mark ?

Will have a look for a link showing the type of pulley you have.

Stick with it mate. Come on folks.........bit of help with this please.

[ringo]

Cant see a photo of the injection pump pulley (unless its the top one but thats a bit too small for me to make anything out) - thats the only other place where a locking pin goes.

Have you got the clutch lined up with the arrow in the bellhousing? Thats TDC and the locking bar and locking pin shouldnt be too far off if you have TDC.

Ringo

[peteabbott]

I think, but not that sure, that there is an indent mark (little white dot on top picture) on that type of pulley that just lines up with a mark on the top of the pump. I have scanned through the WIKI but cannot find a picture. What did the engine originally come out of as you may need to have a look at a Haynes book of lies for that particular model.

["WEAZLECHIN"]

its a 1y. am i the only one in the world to have no marks on either of the two pulleys? i do have a locking bar but even this allows the cam to be moved by a couple of degrees as it seems loose and you need 6 hands to hold it in place or it just falls off.. at the mo, i have a 2 tonne piece of westfalia metal up the yard, and im walking everywhere!! GREAT
ps, the white mark must be where someone changed a belt once?

[peteabbott]

I wish I lived closer to you mate, hate to see anyone struggle.
No.1 top dead centre you are OK with.
Camshaft...........pack under the "locking plate" between the plate and rockerbox evenly and it should be enough to hold it in place.
The only problem you have is the position of the pump pulley......... I have never come across one with no marks. I dont doubt what you are saying but just to be sure you are looking for either a groove or a drilled dimple on the outer edge of the pulley face (or backface ? )
Just a desperate suggestion..........
If you fit the DTI and turn the pump the reading will go up and down four times in one revolution so if you check for a mark of some description at the four highest reading points it will narrow down your search,
You could actually time it by doing this but you would have to open the fuel solenoid (black wire on pump) turn the pump and see which port that diesel comes out of. This way you will find No.1 injector, and you can set the pump with your DTI.
If you think about it the mark on the pulley is there for when you are just fitting a new belt but if you are timing it with a DTI as long as you have the pump set on No1 with the correct measurement and No.1 cylinder TDC and cam locked there ya go.
Stick with it mate, really hope this helps.

["WEAZLECHIN"]

every bit of experience is a help..
i undid an injector pipe to find the fuelling sequence, will have another go when it stops raining, if ever! cheers, jim

[oldiguana]

if mar darling wife adda smashed me pimp mobile up last month ah wudda quite happily come dine to thee duck n give thee a hand...............n ah...if the cam lockin plates a bit loose..an owd set ah feeler guages works well as a packer

[peteabbott]

AHA ! Take a look at this
http://www.oneilcastro.com/A2Bentley/FU02/ch5.4.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
You will see NO Timing marks ! So if you are looking for a small hole that takes a locking pin this will not be the case ! Through one of the smaller (about 14mm ish) holes in the pulley you should see just a small 6mm ish hole in the pump body.