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Vacuum advance - engine feels 'flat'..

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Hi all
this has probably been covered on here a number of times... but this is a revelation to me, so am sharing for benifit of those unaware...
A couple of years ago I rebuilt my DG 1915cc water cooled engine, with great help and advice from here and a local VW trained technician (didnt they used to be called 'mechanics'?). Van has run like a dream since.

However....

a few months ago I noticed that she felt flat upon acceleration and particularly uphill, when Id have to change down a gear to compensate. Without load on the engine she was just as good as always, but trying to pick up speed just felt, well, a bit wierd really!. The only thing I could think of that Id replaced were the plugs and HT leads, so I thought they might be suspect. So I changed he plugs back to single electrode ones first and I convinced myself that she felt better (although, not too much!). This week I was going to change the HT leads, although they were changed 18months ago.

Well, Ive just serviced the engine and got 'Monsoir VW tech' to check her over. The timing was tweaked as was the CO (carburetter/fuel/air mixture - for the uninitiated) and minor adjustments were made. We talked about the fact that she had felt 'flat' and lifeless for a while and he went straight for the vacuum advance unit (flying saucer shaped thingy attached to side of distributor). It is cream crackered! The little pipe was pulled off the rear of carb and, by either attaching a test device (modern way) or sucking/blowing down pipe (old way!) it was very clear that the internal diaphram is leaking (when you pop dizzy cap off and look down the inside, then suck on yer pipe, you should see the actuater arm moving the dizzy plate inside - apparently!).

It turns out to be a really common problem, giving the same symptons, and a really easy fix too.

Ive ordered a new one (and new connecting pipe, in case that is also perished) and as long as postal strike doesnt claim it (!) I will be able to update on here sonn... keeping them crossed!
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Thanks for writing all that...it makes sense to me and is another little nugget to file away for the future.

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fairwynds wrote:Hi all


It turns out to be a really common problem, giving the same symptons, and a really easy fix too.

Ive ordered a new one (and new connecting pipe, in case that is also perished) and as long as postal strike doesnt claim it (!) I will be able to update on here sonn... keeping them crossed!
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I have the same symptoms. Tried cleaning the "2nd" filter on the carb as per covkid but it was clear. Can you tell me what parts you ordered and where from?
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:ok Just to add to the previous info, on a previous vehicle, I noted the same systems, but not only was in flat, I could not under stand why every morning on the first start of the engine in world run roughly and on inspection of the engine I would find the distributer cap had jumped from its location slot and had turned slightly. It was not until I had someone turn the key while I was watching and the garage was dark I could see what was happening. The Vacuum Advance diaphram had obviously been damaged, this allowed a small amount of petrol vapour into the distributer cap, on starting this would ignite and pop, lifting the cap enough for it to turn slightly and causing the engine to run rough, so watch your caps should you get a duff Vac Advance! :rofl

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Jake
I ordered from 'Brickwerks' online - as they know their stuff and do quality bits.
Mines a DG engine so I ordered:-

http://www.brickwerks.co.uk/index.php?p ... t&Itemid=6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just hope its right! :lol:

Will let you know when it arrives and is fitted.....

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Thanks for the info re Brickwerks. Did you buy the connector pipe from them too?
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jake1953 wrote:Thanks for the info re Brickwerks. Did you buy the connector pipe from them too?
Jake

No - got that off the shelf, cut to size from local motor factors. Its simple to just take in your plastic, thin vacuum pipe and ensure they supply the correct bore pipe for this application. Let me know what difference you find when job all done..... cheers.
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...new part just delivered. Thank you Brickwerks.... Gotta fit it and tune her up later.... :)
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Well! What a difference!
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new unit fitted and engine tuned accordingly.... my van has her 'mojo' back!

This is the old one, showing the lever that operates the distributer base 'plate' - thereby automatically adjusting the engines timing to suit the driving conditions.
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Thanks Brickwerks for your efficient service too.... :ok
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