turboing my 1.9dg???

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HarryMann wrote:Additionally, aircooleds usually have lower compression ratio pistons available and a much, much longer history of development and performance parts...waterboxers have never really been exploited for track or competition, although Schick produced a few road-going turboed 2.1s

Shick Syncro 16 Turbo (this one in the UK). Vehicle has many other mods too, including suspension geometry changes. It changed hands a couple of years ago now... in London somewhere.

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There is a turbo kit, engineered & produced specifically for the vanagon and for a 1.9 too!

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If you like all original VW, maybe just reflect that given some creative thinking by VW management, admission of an engine bay worse than a hornmets nest and a desire to continue production of their rear-engined buses beyond 1992, the EJ 2.2 and 2.5 would in fact, likely be in the back of later models with a VW badge, built under license... it's that good a match!
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Dan Buzzo of Akciddento already did this, see a few videos on youtube:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMckiG3Nih4

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YEAH IT SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY THING I COULD FIND,
SAW HIM RACE AT SANTA POD A FEW YEARS AGO QUICK VAN,
BUT AINT SEEN ANYTHING OF IT SINCE.
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He kept blowing it up as the compression ratio was too high to start with.. (insisted on using the 10.5-1 DJ pistons...)

I know of a turbo'd DG that was putting out a lot of power in the back of a beetle.. the 1.9 has a few advantages over the 2.1 to turbo.. but its hassle and lots of effort..

Staying NA with some mods is easy and cheaper, but to do it right means still spending quite a bit of cash... no point in opening up the case to throw in "a cam" and not refreshing the whole thing..
All the effort I have gone to, getting to the point of building a modified 2.2 wbx (grunt AND reliability) and the costs are the same/more than a scooby conversion..
Having been in Pepperami's 2.2 scoobie powered full on camper... it really is a great conversion..

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first of all sorry for shouting above! :wink:
thanks for the info guys been a help in deciding the way im gonna go with the van :ok
yeah my friend down the road has a scooby van v quick but has done in 4 gearboxes so far!!! and one of em was a fully 'built' box eeek! :shock:
just think an engine swaps too much mither at the moment as am rebuilding my bug at the moment too ready to race next year, so am gonna keep it simple and just uprate my carbs and exhaust for the time being i think, sould give me a couple of extra horses out back i hope!
so if anyone knows of cheap manifolds and a linkage going drop me a line! :ok
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yeah my friend down the road has a scooby van v quick but has done in 4 gearboxes so far!!! and one of em was a fully 'built' box eeek! :shock:

Can't see why that would be, most 2.2 and 2.5 Subie powered vans seem quite happy with a good box in them. Fully built? As in, er rebuilt by an expert T25 box builder? Or is he dropping the clutch at the lights type of driving :)

I think there are quite a few 3.3 SVX T25s in States, not doing their boxes in every other week.. tell us more about this Subie conversion? Is it a turbo Subie?

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yeah i think some 'spirited' driving is always involved with a quick van :D hehe!
i think a couple of the 'boxes wern't much cop to start with, but one he had fully rebuilt at quite a cost i beleive ££££!!! which let him down quite badly by ceremoniously spitting its cogs down the road!! :shock:

couldn't tell you who built it or what went into it but i think the guy ended up replacing it under a warranty :D so not all bad i guess!

still think that an engine transplants gonna be too much work though.
any other good ideas on how to coax a few more ponys out of my dg???
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Take a look at shoptalkforums, there are several diskussions on turboing wbx's there. And for inspiration do a serch on youtube for "skinne racing". Skinne has built a beetle with a turboed DJ that gives 850hp and 1100nm and does the 1/4mile in 9,01.
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Spending around £4000 developing a turbo'd 1584cc type 1 engine from scratch in the mid 1990's was what got me in to Subaru engines. The turbo Type 1 started out internally stock, with a thorough DIY rebuild. After blowing it up twice it ended up full of Berg and Scat components, despite only being 1584cc. It was no trial and error effort either. I'm an engineer, and all parts were carefully chosen after reading everything I could get my hands on about turbocharging. No doubt about it' it's a good way to learn about turbocharging and engine tuning, but was it good value for money? Er, no. It made around 120-130 bhp, for which I could buy a Legacy engine of the same output for around £300. I did in 2002, and developed all the parts to install it from scratch. Since then I've quit my job to do it full time, and I'm flat out without advertising anywhere apart from my web site and contributing to web forums.

To tune a WBX engine to high BHP there are few parts available. The guy with the drag Beetle proves it can be done, and he's done a very impressive job, but I still question why, apart from for the challenge. Very few high performance parts are avaialble off the shelf compared to for air cooled engines, plus you are stuck with the horrible features of the WBX's afterthought water cooling system. I would guess a pretty high proportion of the parts are custom made in his engine. I wouldn't be surprised if he's spent way over £10k developing it to that level. DIY turbocharging is not for the faint hearted (those with shallow pockets!).

I have customers drag racing doing regular mid 11's and occasional very low 11's for the past three years using pretty much standard bus boxes, with almost no failures. Bus boxes can handle around 300 bhp if driven sensibly. I have been putting around 165 bhp through my stock Syncro box for over 4 years with no problems at all, and I can think of very few customers who have had them fail with Subaru conversions. Why would they be any more likely to fail with a Subaru engine compared to any other engine doing the same rpm with the same BHP? The 'box doesn't know what engine it's attached to!

Guppy - I'm only in Cheadle. Give me a call if you want to reconsider Subaru options or want a ride in my Syncro. Also don't be put off Subaru engines if your mate had any problems such as starter motors or difficulty starting from cold. There are a surprising number of conversions out there which suffer from these problems, and they don't use my products or wiring harnesses converted by me. The former is caused by use of an adaptor plate (see http://www.rjes.com/html/bellhousing_vs ... plate.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for why), and the latter by the insistance of some people out there on not wiring things up properly. Don't forget the economy and reliability of running a standard engine too. A 2wd T25 will do 27 - 30 mpg on the motorway at 70mph ish with a standard 2 litre or 2.2 Subaru engine.

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I would guess a pretty high proportion of the parts are custom made in his engine.

Yes, I was going to suggest that a 450 HP/litre 1.9 WBX, probably wouldn't have many VW parts in it :)

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Firstly, Thanks for the mountain of info guys! :D
massive thumbs up to everyone whos contributed to this thread! :ok
its good to know that theres a whole bunch of people in our little 'vw community' who are always willing to give you help and advice :D
Well i think ive been well and truly put off the idea of tuboing my og engine now just for the shear time, effort and costs involved in the procedure, its time to look down a different route now i guess! maybe oneday ill get round to it when time and money arn't such an issue :D
as for a blast in your syncro scoob yes i'd love a go :) my bro has just sold his 16" syncro with 2.2 is it a 'dj' engine?? not sure :s but that went quite well so would be nice to see what they go like when 'scoob'd' up
and being as your flat out and only up the road, you fancy taking on an apprentice?? :D
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