Beware cooking oil /chip pan oil t25

Post by **HarryMann** » 05 Jul 2006, 14:55

So how cheap can you get this rapeseed oil in quantity and what size cans does it come in?

Noting that at Costco 20L drums of (unspecified) cooking oil is 45p per litre.

Post by **Louey** » 05 Jul 2006, 15:56

I can get the 20l drums for about the same

Post by **T'Onion** » 05 Jul 2006, 17:42

veg oiln at makro is cheap enough quite abit less then 45p.p.lt
so wot the differance in putting rape in over veg ?
wot the mix 50-50 , 60 diesel 40 oil ?

only ask cos i'm thinking about the pug19.d .. will it frell the pump/seals up on it ?

Post by **nomadicwesti** » 05 Jul 2006, 18:20

Most of the cheapo stuff is GM Soya (Macro /Costco etc) ...not so good ...IMHO ..

At present 20litre drums works out 48p a litre (Prices are going up quickly over the last year).
Most veg oil found in Supermarkets is rapeseed ...its worth checking though
If you buy in supermarkets you can get 3litre bottles. Cheapest I've found for rapeseed is £1.59 (53p a litre) in Somerfield ...I clear the shelves of two every couple of weeks or so haha

tesco and the like are around £1.62 for 3 litres

Watch out for long life veg oil supposeldy it is hydrogenated whioch means it contains water ...not so good for running your car on

Soya vs Rapeseed
You also get less energy from it and it has a higher viscosity than rapeseed. Rapeseed has also been accredited by yhe German authoritie.
Soya also sludges at 0celsius whereas rapeseed sludges at -14celsius

I personally found my car runs better on rapeseed though most American Vegie cars are running on Soya

As for finding info on how to do it legit ...see below

Everything you'll ever need to know is here ...
http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/for ... php?fid=20

there is also a huge amount of knowledge on the forum
Good luck

Should add a note that my golf has now being running on 80/20 mix for 2 months now and I've not had a single issue

Now my caveat: Check your injector pump is suitable. LUCAS are bad becuase they are lubricated by THE fuel ...Bosch are Very good
CAV I think are OK you'll need to check
The best type of IP is the inline type followed by THE Bosch ...Almost all VWs have Bosch

Next Injectors are bad (that's THE we "i" at the end of the TD) a seperate tank is a better solution

Most modern diesels are not suitable unless you go for the full conversion

SVO = Straight Veg Oil
WVO = Waste veg oil

Waste is used veg oil ...there are enough sites detailing how to make it see link above...

Much cheapness but with added satisfaction of making your own fuel haha

Good luck

Cheers
Bryan

Post by **T'Onion** » 05 Jul 2006, 18:33

80/20 mix
is the 80 oil 20 diesel !!

Post by **nomadicwesti** » 05 Jul 2006, 18:36

80 SVO / 20 Diesel
Gets some funny looks filling up ...in the carpark hahaha

Post by **HarryMann** » 05 Jul 2006, 19:13

Most of the cheapo stuff is GM Soya (Macro /Costco etc) ...not so good ...IMHO ..

Thanks Bryan for all thet guff... Costco 20L vegoil says 'Not from GM source' specifically on drum, but presume Soya from what you say above, I could ask and sure to get a true answer..

I think 45p/litre still far too much to make me think about it, hassle wise I'd start to think seriously around 22p/litre for the miles I do (not many)

Surely someone will start bulking this regionally at a better price and way of delivery than spending all the fuel and time collecting 20L drums and all the hassle filling up.... ? Doesn't really add up, does it? I'd need 3 drums just to fill the Doka up at 80/20

Cheers again

Post by **nomadicwesti** » 05 Jul 2006, 19:40

Harry ...take a close rlook at the Costco stuff I'm almost certain it's GM but woill check when I'm upthere nexttime

I use it because I average around 250 miles a week
The reduction on pollutants is huge
oh and it's cheaper ...takes me 10 minutes to fill the tank ...seems a faire price ...

Each to their own though ...there is enough info out there for those intersted ...hope some are

Cheers
Bryan

Post by **HarryMann** » 05 Jul 2006, 20:26

Bryan,

Was in there yesterdy collecting some new spectacles

A mate asked to check the price - and I read pretty well everything on the drums, no mention of vege source but it did say - I'm pretty sure -

Not from GM sources

Gold coloured drum, Eastern European origin ?

This is Watford - Head Office branch of Costco by the way

A mate has just phoned whom I sent your link to the forum and your post - he says there is a kit available for cleaning used veg oil for £800 or plans for £95.
Any knowledge of this...? The plant when installed does 30L per day (presume 24 hours continuous)

Cheers

Post by **nomadicwesti** » 05 Jul 2006, 21:18

Cool ...I'll take a look would be excellent if it wasn't
I;ve not used WVO but i think tis just a matter of filtering it and seperating the seperate parts ...Gravity speeration i think.
Wouldn;t imagine it would be that hard to make for anyone useful with their hands and mechanically minded. With the knowledge and experience on here I'd imagine it would be quite staight forward
Hwoever as i say I havent tried it ...lack of space here to be honest and would be interested to hear of anyone doing it

there was mention on a Nowrth West England collective happening on a land rover forum. they were gonna get together and collect old WVO and make their own Bio diesel and distribute it to members ...can' find the link but if yous earch google for land rover and veg / bio diesel it shoudl be successful

Not sure if that helps but hoepfully it does
there are guys much more knowedgable than me on the forum above

cheers
Bryan

Post by **Flibbertigibbet** » 06 Jul 2006, 15:15

Is this useful to anyone

http://www.biodieselfillingstations.co.uk/index.htm

http://www.biofuels.fsnet.co.uk/

Post by **nomadicwesti** » 07 Jul 2006, 17:52

Check the percentage in the Bio diesel mix (much of it can be as little as 10% bio)and also check the source the seller gets their WVO from
Not all bio diesel is good for your engine

Post by **HarryMann** » 07 Jul 2006, 19:20

Seems the full rating applied to Biodiesel to get al the following benefits are mainly about achieving over 96.5% methyl esters in the finished product and removing (cleaning/washing) it well to reduce acidicity, sulhur (<0.005%) and other contaminants.. that done, its muchbetter than fossil based diesel, whuch is rarely very clean (esp. from water and sludge).
This is not that difficult but takes time, plant eqpt and requires care, control and consistency for every batch...

Biodiesel can be produced from any fat or vegetable oil, including waste cooking oil;
Making Biodiesel can be done easily and cheaply with the UKFuelTech biodiesel reactors;
Making Biodiesel at home could save you up to 50% of your fuel bill (but not when paying for proper licences and C&E dutues (27p/litre)
Biofuel can be used in any diesel engine - with no modifications to the engin;
Biofuel can be mixed with ordinary diesel fuel in any proportion -- even a small amount of biodiesel means cleaner emissions and better engine lubrication: 1% biodiesel will increase lubricity by 65% . Better lubrication means less engine wear. Another benefit.
Fuel economy is the same as conventional diesel fuel.
Biofuel is a much better lubricant than conventional diesel fuel and extends engine life - a German truck won an entry in the Guinness Book of Records by travelling more than 1.25 million km (780,000 miles) on biodiesel with its original engine.
Biodiesel has a high cetane rating, which improves engine performance: 20% biodiesel added to conventional diesel fuel improves the cetane rating 3 points, making it a Premium fuel.
The flash point of biofuel in its pure form is more than >266 Ã‚ÂºF versus approximately 125Ã‚ÂºF for regular diesel. This makes biodiesel much safer than diesel.

This is proper biodiesel, and some processes can produce 98% methyl esters biodiesel quite consistently with low sulphur and iodine acid reactoons - its probably better for your engine.