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diagnosing potentialy terminal engine problem..?

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Hi, posted this on Sat, but looks like it got lost in the weekends problems (maybe I am jinxed :roll: ) - apologies if it ends up appearing twice.

I was overjoyed to get my '82 1.6 NA diesel back on the road on this weekend after a few weeks of changing bits and pieces (starter motor, throttle cable, fuel filter, battery etc), however, I was soon plunged into dispair as follows:

After 5 miles, van seemed to be running very hot (but no temp warning light) then oil light came on. Pulled over, investigated and found oil filler cap loose, obviously oil was splattered around but there was still some in. Top-up and expansion tanks for radiator fine (and water/coolant seems clean). Topped up the oil, let engine cool for about half an hour and started her up again no problem (and no warning lights on).

About 200 yards down the road slowed down for a roundabout to find myself rapidly loosing power and stalling. Restarted ok, but started to make loud clunking noises as I pulled away. Stalled again twice whilst making my way into the adjacent carpark.

Once safely parked up had a look in the engine bay, nothing obviously wrong. She is now starting up and idling fine, but high(er) revs cause the clunking sound and loss of power, which is also accompanied by small amounts of thick white smoke (not "normal" diesel smoke), so have left her in-situ for now.

Would really appreciate any tips on identifying the most likely cause of these symptoms. Books seem to suggest most likely culprit is Big End bearings, but with a number of other possibilities such as head gasket, piston rings and even exhaust issues, so really trying to narrow it down before having to make a commitment about where to get her recovered to.

Am especially wondering if there is any fault that could have caused pressure to blow the oil filler cap off, as I am 99% sure I didn't leave it like that.

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I'd say start with doing a compression test on each of the cylinders, although I'm not sure what you need to do that on a diesel.

Bad luck though, hope you get her back on the road soon

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im sorry to say it sounds like big ends to me :cry:
if its not broke dont fix it, or i will ;-)

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Question is - whjat do you mean by clunking? Never heard that one, suspension joints and driveshafts can clunk, engines do not (AFAIK)

Is it making big-end rattle? Clunking is not a normal description of this... either it sounds 'endy' or it doesn't, its so very characteristic a noise, ends rattle or knock loudly, dependent on revs, main bearings rumble (and shake/vibrate whole vehicle as crank is moving about in a non-rotational fashion)

Just take a 40 something cahppie along who's been around motors a bit and they should be able to say 'big-ends' or not in 10 seconds flat! Its just not a discussion point normally... might be worth draining and filling with exact amount of oil, regardless of dipstick, if its thrown a lot out.
They can survive a short period without oil, and the 1.9s a long period!

Quite easy to change b-ends in situ, but depends on state of crank journals, can even mic them up in situ for size and ovality. And if they've really gone bad, you should get buzzer of doom as soon as the oil is warm, either on idle or above 2000 rpm.


If ends are 'knocking', then don't run it, or certainly don't load it up. If been off-road a while, small possibility the oil pickup strainer might have got blocked, again, BoD should be squawking though.

White smoke is not big ends, poss. a cracked head, not enough time to overheat on gauge though...

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Hi,
many thanks all for the replies. I'd already taken my fella along (falls into the 40 something bracket :lol: ) but he didn't really want to commit to a diagnosis due to lack of diesel knowlege, although he didn't think it was head gasket. A mechanically capable (& under 40 :lol: ) workmate has had a look at her today and immediately said "big ends".

He is happy to do whatever work I ask at a minimal price and is having a closer look now, although he has said he would recommend going for a replacement (and upgraded!) engine based on the time/labour costs, so going off now to find the usefull stuff in the replacement engine board!.
(and then may be back with more questions!)

Thanks again!

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No problem... good luck finding one.

has had a look at her today

You mean a listen :D

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HarryMann wrote:No problem... good luck finding one.

has had a look at her today

You mean a listen :D

indeedy! :)

and in fact used all his senses as got a right old nose/mouthful when we started her up, and had a good feel around whilst she was ticking over (I was hoping it was a spiritual laying on of hands thing to fix her, but sadly not! :wink: )

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