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toomanytoys
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Post by toomanytoys »

and Vege will not honour it either... :shock: In fact from what I have heard, they dont honour any warranty without a big fight...

I know which one I would buy... and I had a rebuilt 4 years ago.. its been apart twice since and has to come apart again.. needless to say I am building one myself this time with a few tweaks for the syncro and will prob get a VW one later for the bus..

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Post by TechtroT25 »

I've got a part stripped VW DF motor wich is running hydraulic lifters if that is any help
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From Turbomania Book on Eagle Hydraulic Followers for Type 1

A hydraulic lifter and camshaft combination will provide the engine builder with quiet smooth operation. Regardless of ehat you have been lead to believe, your performance won't necessarily suffer when you install a set of hydraulic lifters. At engine speeds up to 7000rpm hydraulic lifters are actualy more effective than a set of solid lifters.
The reason behind this is simple. Hydraulic lifters run with zero lash. If a hydraulic cam provides .390 lift, you get .390 lift plus the ratio of the rocker arms. A mechanic lifter and cam combination offering .390 will not produce .390 lift in a VW Aircooled engine because of the required valve lash and additional heat growth of the barrels. An initial .390 lift in mechanical lifter/cam installation quickly shrinks to about .360 as the engine warms up.
The duration and valve timing in a hydraulic lifter set up remain constant
because of zero lash feature. The duration in a mechanical installation can drop as much as 20 degrees when the engine reaches operating tempreture. Again the loss is due to engine growth due to temperature.

I know that Aircooled engines have more growth.

I know there is an issue if there is air in the lifter and as the lifters are flat this can be a problem. Bleeding them on insatllation is tricky see
Boston Bobs web site

http://www.bostonengine.com/articles/hydraulicll.htm

also interesting is flow rates on a wasserboxer head interesting on the flow of increased lift due to ratio rockers. Any body any thoughts 1.25:1
or 1.4:1 do I need shorter push rods

The flow bench measures cubic feet of air moving threw each port at a given valve lift. This test was done with a pair of stock AMC heads with varying degrees of porting work.
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Stage 1 Stock Intake Port
Stage 2 Intake Port After Porting
Stage 3 Big Valve Intake Port
Stage 1a Stock Exhaust Port
Stage 2a Exhaust Port After Porting
Stage 3a Big Valve Exhaust Port

Lift Stage 1 Stage2 Stage 3 Stage 1a Stage 2a Stage 3a
.050 24.8 33.0 34.8 18.6 26.4 29.6
.100 47.1 52.2 57.3 36.4 44.1 46.2
.200 89.6 91.4 108.4 68.0 76.2 85.4
.250 115.4 116.7 132.8 83.3 89.5 103.9
.300 125.3 128.5 145.8 95.5 102.7 116.3
.350 137.6 145.3 171.4 104.7 114.4 123.9

.400 * 144.9 158.8 181.3 113.0 125.1 132.5
.450 * 147.8 174.1 186.0 118.6 132.1 137.9
.500 * 154.6 179.0 190.6 121.6 137.5 141.2
*Non-Stock Ratio Rockers
1989 2.1 LPG Camper
1988 1.6td Syncro Ambulance

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My only experience of VEGE warranty dept was when a customer brought along a van with a 2.0l AC CU motor fitted by another garage.
Said engine was poorly, almost siezed.
Engine was removed, Vege contacted, they arranged collection, took it away and inspected it.
They rung me quickly to tell me that the engine had been overheated. Upon inspection I found that the numpties that had put it together had installed the fan in the wrong position, thus cocking up the timing marks, so you could not set them timing!
It turned out that the ignition timing was far too advanced, and had fried the engine.
Engine repaired promptly, and returned. Obviously this was not Vege's problem and they charged the customer for the repair work, but at a reasonable price.
They were very polite on the phone, and carried out their end of the bargain.
To me, this says that a lot of problems can be down to who installed the engine.

I have since spent hours fixing "kcoc" ups on a Carat fitted by Stevie Wonder, or so it seemed, pulleys on backwards, clamps not tight, just "pooh", but this was "sunday morning man".
Im no way slagging off home mechanics, I have a great deal of respect for people who manage to carry out jobs rolling around in the wet, it's just not for me. At the end of the day though, these guys aren't trained mechanics, and miss simple little things that can be potentially very expensive indeed, or at the worse case life threatening.
If your boiler is broken you get a boiler repairman in, if you have dodgey electrics you get an electrician but when when people have a dodgey engine do they take it on themselves?
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Post by skell »

remtec use brand new cylinder heads not reconned ones and hydraulic lifters, but only done a couple of thou on it so can't say any more than ok so not very far...
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Simon Baxter wrote: I have since spent hours fixing malechicken ups on a Carat fitted by Stevie Wonder, or so it seemed, pulleys on backwards, clamps not tight, just pooh, but this was "sunday morning man".
Im no way slagging off home mechanics, I have a great deal of respect for people who manage to carry out jobs rolling around in the wet, it's just not for me. At the end of the day though, these guys aren't trained mechanics, and miss simple little things that can be potentially very expensive indeed, or at the worse case life threatening.
If your boiler is broken you get a boiler repairman in, if you have dodgey electrics you get an electrician but when when people have a dodgey engine do they take it on themselves?
:)

I agree with this, but there is also alot of trained mechanics that don't know their a*** from their elbow. I recently had an hgv mechanic who i had never met before knock on my door and aked if i could take a look at his beetle, he had done a clutch and now it would'nt start, he opened engine lid and i noticed firing order was 1 2 3 4, i asked if he had touched anything else reply was no. I corrected firing order and it started but only running on 3 and 4, he had pulled off inlet manifold on one side put a washer over each stud then a new gasket and then manifold, again i corrected this and it ran perfect. Mechanics like this give us good ones a bad name.

I aslo have never had a problem with vege warranty.

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