1600td starter motor question.

Post by **drumnut182** » 23 Oct 2008, 19:06

when replacing diesel starter motor do you HAVE to replace the bush as well? Mine isn't engaging, it just spins and makes a spinning type noise...(Its a brand new new one btw) Any ideas?
Found this link which is a similar thread.
https://club8090.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=600

Any help would be appreciated. Cheers
ROB

Post by **ringo** » 23 Oct 2008, 20:43

Diesels dont have the bush - thats for petrols only.

Spinning only? Sounds odd.

Take it out and exchange it if its new. Are you sure its the correct starter motor?

Ringo

Post by **Plasticman** » 23 Oct 2008, 20:46

Sounds like the solenoid isnt throwing out, if your battery was well down it would spin without throwing out, so as long as your sure you got power then take the motor back.
What was wrong with your old motor ?
Mike

Post by **drumnut182** » 24 Oct 2008, 09:30

Thanks. Yeah i thought it didnt need a new bush..just couldnt remember as i put it on a long time ago (year) but havent used it in that time so i dont think ill be able to take it back now.. Ive been away and am now back to fixing it again. I also know what you mean about it spinning if the battery is low but its not that as its fully charged and healthy. Im going to take it out in a min to have a look. I think it will need checking over and inspecting by a starter motor specialist.
Thanks for the help, i will let you know what happens.

Cheers

Post by **drumnut182** » 24 Oct 2008, 13:44

Ok, have removed starter and checked it over. all seems ok. It throws forward and spins ok when tested. Have checked all the connections and made sure they are good. Put it back in again and the same thing happens. It doesnt engage the flywheel and turn over engine!... Im beginning to wonder if i have the wrong starter (or they sold me the wrong starter). The teeth on the flywheel are ok and have tried it in different sections of the flywheel anyway just to make sure. The battery is fine too.
So, has anybody got any pics of a starter from my van? 1600td 1989 5 speed. The starter is on the top of the gearbox as opposed to the side.
Main question is: why is it not throwing forward enough to engage the flywheel?
...and, is it possible to put the wrong starter on? It looks right, the holes and casing all fit perfectly and the connections are all what they should be. so...
any ideas you lovely lot?

Cheers
ROB

Post by **ringo** » 24 Oct 2008, 14:02

Has it ever worked?

Post by **Plasticman** » 24 Oct 2008, 14:03

When you juice it up on the bench/floor does the solenoid kick in fast and violent with the motor spinning overand the whole motor jump on the floor(cant think of a better way to describe it)?
Failing all that then get an autolecky shop to test it, post up the part number of it on here anda picky
By the way what was wrong with the old one
Mike

Post by **dave friday** » 24 Oct 2008, 14:16

Dodgy ignition/starter switch?...if the contacts are worn/tarnished you wont get the full 12volts to the starter solenoid, get someone to turn the key while you mesure the volts first at the battery then at the spade terminal on the starter[they should be the same +/- 1volt ish].
good luck.

Post by **drumnut182** » 24 Oct 2008, 14:24

Thanks. The old starter had a broken casing because something must have got into he inspection hole (like a bolt or something) and got caught and it shattered the casing. Odd i know, but that seems to be the only explaination i could fine at the time. Never found anything tho. It made a clanky metal to metal sound when turning it over and then broke the casing which prob then moved the whole starter into a off kilter position which made it worse until i had to stop and get it all out and replace it...
Have thought obviously if that has anything to do with this prob and cant seem to think that it would. There is no horrible sound when trying to start at the moment just a spinning sound and (just recently on last few attempts) a little bit of a click but i just put that down to the throwing forward action..nothing like what it should be.
Some of the teeth on the flywheel got a bit damaged because of the old starter episode but only a little bit. the majority of the teeth are ok.
Could it be the wrong starter motor? Maybe the correct one throws forward a bit more...
ill get some pics up.
Ill check the serial number. That should clear up any doubts about it being the wrong one i suppose. Forgot to get that info earlier....
Back to the van...

Post by **Plasticman** » 24 Oct 2008, 14:39

Wow Rob this is like exracting a partial confession from a scroat!

So now we have potential damage to the flywheel and casing, as yet unidentified, You could take a measurement from the face of the motor mounting to the start of the ringear and compare this with the starter motor as is and with the starter pinion in the thrown out/engaged position (a screwdriver will hold it out) this might throw light onto the situation, come back and report,

At least its easy to get to
Mike

Post by **drumnut182** » 24 Oct 2008, 15:47

Flywheel is ok. Measurements from face ok and no serial number on starter.. im going down to starter motor guy to see if he can check whether its the correct one or not.
Dont forget im am an amature not a professional mechanic...

Post by **Plasticman** » 24 Oct 2008, 16:27

No its ok, your doing fine,
If your lecky man says the motor is ok then your left with the choice of either ; good but incorrect motor or good correct motor and the problem is elsewhere,
So come back to us when you get that bit of info.
Mike

Post by **ringo** » 24 Oct 2008, 21:43

If you were local to me i would pop my spare in then we could see if that worked.

Whaaddda ya mean you havent got a spare!

Ringo

Post by **drumnut182** » 25 Oct 2008, 15:33

Ok i had the offending stater checked out and it was found to be not working.
This is a brand new starter from GSF £140
The starter guy said it was not an original starter ie:bosch etc and was poorly made inside. (i watched him take it apart) And i agree with him.

The spinning noise was the bedix spinning. Aparently it should not spin (when trying it by hand) onlt turn with a bit of force (difficult to turn by hand) Anyway thats why it wasnt working. Ive ordered another one now which is a proper Bosch one and is £85 which i thought was pretty good.
So im hopeing thats the end of the probs.

Btw i cant take back the faulty one cos i bought it too long ago and it has been used at least a little.BUT be careful buying a starter which isnt the original as this might happen to you..and ironically it was cheaper!

..a couple of pics

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr17 ... C01171.jpg
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr17 ... C01170.jpg
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr17 ... 01172x.jpg
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr17 ... C01169.jpg

Post by **Westy.Club.Joker** » 26 Oct 2008, 07:46

£85 for a starter (any make) for a diesel is a GOOD price, where did you get that from?