TD engine, won't start

Post by **Therunner** » 07 Jan 2008, 09:46

Hiy'all,

i'm not therunner, i'm his mrs, he can't get on the forum at work anymore so i'm posting on his behalf,.

Can anyone help us out with some advice, our camper won't start anymore, it 'kind of' tries & chugs out loads of smoke, the plugs were taking ages to warm up, so he replaced them, they still take ages to warm up & it still doesn't start!

Does anyone have any idea what else the issue can be?

We're not sure of the engine size, maybe 1.6 or 1.7, with a turbo.

Thanks,

Post by **Therunner** » 07 Jan 2008, 10:05

hmm, just been reading a similar post,.

how do you know if a relay is shot?

Oh if only that was the issue, i've a feeling it's going to
be slightly more expensive than that!!

Post by **BigTam** » 07 Jan 2008, 10:28

You will have to check if there is power getting to the glow plugs, there is also a 50 amp fuse next to the relay, sounds like the plugs aint working to me, best of luck,

Post by **Therunner** » 07 Jan 2008, 11:05

thanks,
Can we pretend for a minute that i'm a bl**dy idiot, that doesn't know how to use my volt meter thing or where to test for the current?..

Post by **BigTam** » 07 Jan 2008, 11:20

There is a lead that connects to the bus bar on the glow plugs, take that off and put test light on and see if it lights up

Post by **Therunner** » 07 Jan 2008, 11:38

The big red lead?. I'm still not sure how to use the voltmeter, but i see a similar thread on that too so i'll give it a go, but am i testing the lead or the bar?,.

Post by **BigTam** » 07 Jan 2008, 11:59

Put meter between bar and lead and check for voltage with ignition on, should be voltage for approx 15 secs, if not check fuse and relay

Post by **Therunner** » 07 Jan 2008, 16:10

Well there is definately current getting to the plugs,.
but why does the light still take so long to go out?,.

There is a little puddle of fuel on the engine, where do we start looking for leaks & how do you bleed the system?, there doesn't seem to be any fuel getting to the engine,.

I want it fixed so i can have my Bug back!

thankyee

Post by **ringo** » 07 Jan 2008, 16:41

Hi,

I suspect you have read the other two posts that have similar issues:

https://club8090.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.p ... highlight=

and

https://club8090.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.p ... highlight=

In my limited experience its more of an annoyance than an expense. Its normally a cheap fix - but a right pain in the ass to diagnose!

TBH, i can normally start my bus after a while even if the glow plugs arent working at all - however, if there's no fuel, it aint going to start!

I would try fully charging the battery (or get a jump start), then loosen the return fuel line banjo at the pump (there are two places where the diesel goes to the engine - the inlet and the return, on mine, the return is the one nearest the front of the van). This makes it a lot easier for the fuel pump to prime the system.
Then, start the engine with your foot to the floor and hopefully, if fuel is going in, diesel should come out of the loose return. This sometime takes a while. Be quick to re-tighten the return banjo and the van should be running.

If this works, there's probably a leak in your fuel line or fuel filter.

Please, if trying this method, remember that you may get diesel everywhere so its best to have two people - one starting the van and one inspecting the fuel lines. There shouldn't be a fire risk as its diesel - but if you are in any doubt then don't attempt it! Take it to a garage instead. I do it on my van - but thats my risk assessment not yours

Also, you may risk frying your starter motor if you do it too often.

Good luck

Ringo

Post by **Therunner** » 07 Jan 2008, 16:48

hey Ringo, yes we read the other threads & have done our best not to be pains in the asses!

We'll give that a shot, thankyou he'll be getting the engine end!

the daylight hours are pants a the moment, it'll have to wait until tomorow, at least another day without my Bug then

Post by **ringo** » 07 Jan 2008, 17:18

Your not being a pain in the ass! That role is well catered for already

All VeeDubs together though eh - i bet you borrow the van when the Bugs having a bad day!

Good luck

Ringo

Therunner wrote:hey Ringo, yes we read the other threads & have done our best not to be pains in the asses!

We'll give that a shot, thankyou he'll be getting the engine end!

the daylight hours are pants a the moment, it'll have to wait until tomorow, at least another day without my Bug then

Post by **Therunner** » 07 Jan 2008, 17:19

I'm not 'allowed' to borrow the van!

Post by **bugarit** » 08 Jan 2008, 15:00

Hi,this is me,
I'm hoping we're loosening the right bit, the one with the clear hose thingy that we can see the fuel (& air bubbles) through?,.
It sounded promising for a bit, it was picking up speed then the battery started to die,

it was charging all night!

Post by **ringo** » 08 Jan 2008, 18:14

Well - there should be two pipes - you need to ensure you have loosened the return - not the inlet or it will never start!

Have you worked out which is the return yet ? Its generally the one at the rear of the injection pump (ie nearest to the front of the van).

Good luck

Ringo

Post by **bugarit** » 08 Jan 2008, 18:26

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There's no decent manual for this engine, that we've found, 's'why we wanna get it going & sell it to get an air-cooled one, then we'd stand a chance, not even sure what's what in this engine, this is the pump right?..

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