Peugeot 2.1td in T25

Post by **andysimpson** » 30 Dec 2007, 22:42

This isn't in line. Removed from one of these famous pug conversions. Pictures tell the story.

Post by **camper** » 31 Dec 2007, 11:56

What is the story"? I am guessing adaptor plate problem due to off centre input shaft to spigot bush in the crankshaft.

Post by **youthy giblets!!!** » 31 Dec 2007, 17:02

Do you think somebody forgot to fit the bearing in the crank so the input shaft has been slapping about all over the place? Cant be the same as my kit Mine uses the origional vw crank bearing and input shaft.

Post by **andysimpson** » 31 Dec 2007, 17:32

youthy giblets!!! wrote:Do you think somebody forgot to fit the bearing in the crank so the input shaft has been slapping about all over the place? Cant be the same as my kit Mine uses the origional vw crank bearing and input shaft.

That is the original vw shaft. Bearing ok and if it was gone it would of worn seal in all directions. This is caused by mis aligned engine and gearbox which is down to adaptor plate.

Post by **andysimpson** » 31 Dec 2007, 17:32

camper wrote:What is the story"? I am guessing adaptor plate problem due to off centre input shaft to spigot bush in the crankshaft.

Spot on.

Post by **camper** » 31 Dec 2007, 18:59

And who made or supplied the adapter plate?

Post by **youthy giblets!!!** » 31 Dec 2007, 19:31

Have you got any pictures of the adapter plate andy? will soon see if its the same as mine, went to look at a T25 auto with pug kit in last week with phil thompson, nobody knows who made the kit but it was a real mess the blokes waiting for a new kit off Phil now.

See what you say about that been mis aligned now didnt notice the wear on that pic till just now.

Post by **andysimpson** » 31 Dec 2007, 20:46

Post by **famous phil** » 31 Dec 2007, 22:03

andy why not show us a pic of the offending adapter before putting a name to it

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obviously can't have been one of my kits ,, the way that it is design'd means that this would never happen

can you imagine an aircraft with parts like this

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i do'nt think this would happen even if someone fitted a peugeot engine without the engine dowels in place ,
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as youthy giblets said there are a few bad attempts at trying to copy my peugeot kits ,, lately i've seen people doing jobs the wrong way or not having a clue , and they've been doing that job for years ,,

remember lefty lefty off righty righty on

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the first one that i built in 92/93 has clocked up over a 100k miles and is still going well ,
i used to do over 20k abusive miles a year a high% of the time fully loaded or with trailor ,,the peugeot 1.9td has an exceptional torque curve been able to leave town in top gear pulling from 30mph upto a 100mph ,,,, i value my time and do'nt like been sat in trafic or on the hard shoulder ,,, so i'll stick with the peugeot engine as i know they'll sit above motorway speeds all day long

Post by **pugvan** » 06 Jan 2008, 21:15

andysimpson wrote:

hi andy do you have a pic of that adapter without the cluch so i can see the spigot bearing set up if its one of phills it should have a bearing carrier that bolts to the flywheel also phills kits use the pug and vw flywheels modified and bolted together, is the kit that you have got made like that.
ps i hope this is not one of phills kits and is just a bad copy as iam planing on using one of phills kits in my van and iam getting a bit concerned after seeing this thred

Post by **youthy giblets!!!** » 06 Jan 2008, 21:42

Pug van, try finding anyone thats had a problem with one of fils kits, ive used a few now no problems yet, theres at least 4 people local to me that have them fitted in t25 one lad had his in 6year gets used as his daily and he never had any problems, he changed his box last year due to noisy diff and no damage to anything like the pics that andy showed. I wouldnt worry mate

Post by **andysimpson** » 06 Jan 2008, 21:50

pugvan wrote:
andysimpson wrote:See clutch image in post above

hi andy do you have a pic of that adapter without the cluch so i can see the spigot bearing set up if its one of phills it should have a bearing carrier that bolts to the flywheel also phills kits use the pug and vw flywheels modified and bolted together, is the kit that you have got made like that.
ps i hope this is not one of phills kits and is just a bad copy as iam planing on using one of phills kits in my van and iam getting a bit concerned after seeing this thred

Not seen behind clutch.

Post by **pugvan** » 07 Jan 2008, 02:13

well andy if we can not see behind the cluch we don't know if its been put together right or even if it a full and compleate kit.
and its not realy fare to slag phills kit without knowing what going on behind that cluch , after all it may not even be phills parts behind that cluch,
i also have not heard any bad reports about phills kit and he's been doing them for a lot of years.
and as for pug engines they will top 200.000 where as with a vw derv your lucky if you get 100.000 k without it throwing a rod thats why phill started doing the pug conversion in the first place.

Post by **andysimpson** » 07 Jan 2008, 19:03

pugvan wrote:well andy if we can not see behind the cluch we don't know if its been put together right or even if it a full and compleate kit.
and its not realy fare to slag phills kit without knowing what going on behind that cluch , after all it may not even be phills parts behind that cluch,
i also have not heard any bad reports about phills kit and he's been doing them for a lot of years.
and as for pug engines they will top 200.000 where as with a vw derv your lucky if you get 100.000 k without it throwing a rod thats why phill started doing the pug conversion in the first place.

It was sold a phil kit and has all the same dire problems all the conversions have. The only time ever a vw diesel ever throws a rod is if its run out of oil and all engine will do something nasty then. As for only lasting 100k what planet are you on, maybe in at25 but in golfs passats they do double that with ease and lots more if properly serviced. There is no way a pug would last 200k in a t25, its too heavy, un aerodynamic, geared wrong and poor cooling and thats where the pug fails the most, the heads are very fragile. If your happy with this badly engineered kit fine but to me its dog "pooh" and i do not just meen the adaptor plate.

Post by **youthy giblets!!!** » 12 Jan 2008, 23:33

Have you got any pics of behind the clutch yet? I have been to see the engineer that makes these kits for Phil today and i cant possibly see how the kit you have could be so far out of lign had it been 1 of his?

I would expect you would have had difficulty fitting the gearbox to the engine in the first place with an adapter plate that far out of sync.

There has been so many bad attempts to copy this kit.....its a real shame as some1 ends up getting a bad name as a result through no fault of there own. Especially when this man spent all that time researching and making prototypes to get everything spot on for people to try and make a quick buck and do it all wrong..........????????

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