conservation, rust treatment and prevention

[peasant]

What do you guys use?

My yoke has got none to minimal rust thanks to great preservation efforts by the german army.

I'd like to keep it that way and "soak" all cavities and overlaps in either grease, oil or wax ...or all of it

What's good, what works?

On German fora everybody sings the praise of "Mike Sanders' " grease" ...but you have to heat that stuff to about 100 degrees to use it and then spray it through pre-heated nozzles with a compressor. That kind of puts me off for a do it on the driveway-treatment.

[hammy44]

waxoil easy to apply with hand pump that they supply you might have to heat the tin slightly to get a good flow but its good stuff

[kevtherev]

What do you guys use?

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a roof (Van port)...keeps the ruddy weather orf it

[peasant]

My main gripe with waxoyl is that it consists mainly of wax. This will harden over time and crack, at which time moisture can creep in under it and actually corrode the metal worse than if it wasn't waxed

...or so the theoretical "wisdom" of several competitors goes.

Grease on the other hand is supposed to be permantly elastic, non-hardening and forever creeping ever deeper into the tiniest cavieties, especially in hot weather.

For underbody protection something like waxoyl is probably better, as it is harder, more impact resistant and less sticky. But inside cavities and box sections grease is supposed to be yer only man.

Also you can get at the underbody readily enough to repair any worn sections ...inside a box section is somewhat more difficult

[blackdog]

Hammerite schutz underbody sealer is what I used underneath. Easier applied when warmed up. Can fits to spraygun too.


http://www.wilcodirect.co.uk/catalog/in ... hl6r7s54h5

[Bowton Lad]

My main gripe with waxoyl is that it consists mainly of wax. This will harden over time and crack, at which time moisture can creep in under it and actually corrode the metal worse than if it wasn't waxed

...or so the theoretical "wisdom" of several competitors goes.

Grease on the other hand is supposed to be permantly elastic, non-hardening and forever creeping ever deeper into the tiniest cavieties, especially in hot weather.

For underbody protection something like waxoyl is probably better, as it is harder, more impact resistant and less sticky. But inside cavities and box sections grease is supposed to be yer only man.

Also you can get at the underbody readily enough to repair any worn sections ...inside a box section is somewhat more difficult

Back in the 70's a typical underbody protective treatment would be Holt's Undershield a thick, black, rubberised, gooey substance that would eventually dry & crack & possibly trap moisture behind it.

Then along came Finnegan's Waxoyl, a wax anti-rust treatmant that could be used sprayed into cavities or used under wheel arches & on floorpans etc. Waxoyl is water repellent & if scratched knits back together to form an unbroken covering layer. Sorry Peasant, your argument doesn't hold water & neither does Waxoyl!

At some point Hammerite Products took over Finnegans & introduced Hammerite paint of various types & colours. Hammerite Underbody Seal is a current product combining Waxoyl with bitumous/rubberised type compounds for easier application. I have a tin of this product in the kitchen & I compared it to the advert on the link provided by Blackdog & I am puzzled by the word ''schutz'' as it does not appear on the tin & I don't speak German.

So, just to recap:-

1) Hammerite/Finnegan's is all one company.

2) Waxoyl is an anti-rust treatment for vehicles etc.

3) Waxoil is a furniture treatment!

[peasant]

So, would you recommend Waxoyl then?

Based on longterm experience, like ....

[syncroand101]

These guys use Waxoyl...

http://www.before-n-after.co.uk/

[HarryMann]

I don't think Waxoyl has that reputation for drying and cracking away, unlike other 'underseals'... not sure it even hardens much with age, though probably does to some extent, though a 'top up' Waxoyl into the box sections every few years when they are nice and hot and dry isn't a bad idea...
There are probably better products, but as a general fairly cheap and cheerful treatment many are pretty happy with it... though I don';t find applying it a busting lot of fun, especially cleaning the spray gear out afterwards.

[Bowton Lad]

So, would you recommend Waxoyl then?

Based on longterm experience, like ....

Yes, I would recommend Waxoyl for treating motor vehicles.

I bought a 1974 Beetle 1303S in 1978 & I treated it with Waxoyl by brushing it onto the floorpan, the cills & under the wheel arches & when I sold it in 1981/82 there was still no rust underneath.

From 1979 VW started to underseal all their cars & also used cavity wax protection so Waxoyling wasn't really necessary.

[DJZ]

Had my van back after loads of welding and the guy sprayed the underside with oil, drips like hell for week unitl dry but he swears by it. Lubricates all the nuts and bolts so nothing seizes (been there before) and the gears slide in with ease. Messy but good.

refreshes parts other beers cannot reach

[blackdog]

Bowton Lad - Schutz on this tin anyhow



Schutz German translation is "protection"

With added waxoyl!

You keep yours in the kitchen? If Mrs Blackdog found that in ours I reckon I'd need surgery to have it removed!!!

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[Bowton Lad]

Bowton Lad - Schutz on this tin anyhow



Schutz German translation is "protection"

With added waxoyl!

You keep yours in the kitchen? If Mrs Blackdog found that in ours I reckon I'd need surgery to have it removed!!!

The Waxoyl Underbody Seal that I have is the big tin on the left of the photo in the 'Wilco' link.

I can keep my unopened tin of Waxoyl stuff in the kitchen because the former Mrs.Lad is under the patio.


P.S. Only joking, she lives 5 miles away.