peugeot diesel in a T25

Post by **wasserleaker** » 31 Dec 2006, 16:48

HAPPY NEW YEAR, ALL!
Wondered if any one has fitted, or knows of someone with a peugeot/citroen 1.9 diesel or TD engine fitted in a T25? ?
a mate of mine [hi greg!] has a pug 1.9 td engine in his, using a steel adaptor plate, a flywheel made up from part peugeot ,part vw flywheels, [both machined and bolted together] the engine is mounted vertically not tilted over, which involved making a raised eng. bay door to create clearance for the height of the vertical engine. he originally bought a flame cut steel adaptor plate, which he wasn't happy with, so he had a firm cut another and machined the holes in it himself. it involved fabricating some eng. mounts and a one off exh. system but he's a welder so no probs. he's currently fitting an intercooler to it. originally it had a 1.9 waterboxer petrol engine in it which had corroded/ snapped head studs, and so was a cheap van. it would be interesting to know if someone else has done a similar conv. it goes well and he is well chuffed with it. being a compulsive tinkerer and now retired he has the time to perfect it. will try to get pics and post em if anyone is interested.
cheers, Wasserleaker.

Post by **andysimpson** » 31 Dec 2006, 17:17

There was a post on here about pugs a few months ago, someone had put a 2.1 in a t25.

Why bother though? The vw diesel fits better and is a better engine, well as a 1.9. I would'nt be able to sleep at night if i put a pug engine in mine. As you may of gathered i hate anything made in france.

Post by **wasserleaker** » 31 Dec 2006, 17:46

Haha!
Think he got the engine cheap, and virtually as new Andy, thats why he used the pug eng, but agreed, it does seem to have been lots of work,
i just find it interesting to see that people go to the trouble of experimenting with ideas which seem daft to others, specially as i have a suzuki SJ410 4X4 which i put a ford cross flow engine and ford gearbox in, [mainly cos a friend had it lying about, and japanese parts cost an arm and a leg!] but keeping an eng. swap 'same make' does have the advantage of some interchangability of parts, and its handy to know others have been there and can offer advice.

Post by **andysimpson** » 31 Dec 2006, 18:05

wasserleaker wrote:Haha!
Think he got the engine cheap, and virtually as new Andy, thats why he used the pug eng, but agreed, it does seem to have been lots of work,
i just find it interesting to see that people go to the trouble of experimenting with ideas which seem daft to others, specially as i have a suzuki SJ410 4X4 which i put a ford cross flow engine and ford gearbox in, [mainly cos a friend had it lying about, and japanese parts cost an arm and a leg!] but keeping an eng. swap 'same make' does have the advantage of some interchangability of parts, and its handy to know others have been there and can offer advice.

I suppose it makes sense if it was low mileage/cheap and he like playing.

I like playing just for the sake of it, my syncro had a 1.9dg when i bought it, i then changed it to lpg, then replaced with audi 5 cylinder, then last boxing day was bored so pulled that out not knowing what i was putting in, after a few weeks of thinking and looking out the window i cut my daily driver golf up and put its 1.9td in, i got in runnging late july and then started upping the fuel and boost, clutch failed early november because of increased power, still off the road because i keep replacing other things. Now i am thinking once its done and will start playing with my panel van, this is getting a 2.0 gti engine with a compression ratio of around 13-14 to 1.

Post by **wasserleaker** » 31 Dec 2006, 18:12

2.0 G.T.I. Engined van sounds interesting!
Long live compulsive tinkerers i say!

Post by **andysimpson** » 31 Dec 2006, 18:16

wasserleaker wrote:2.0 G.T.I. Engined van sounds interesting!
Long live compulsive tinkerers i say!

I want to keep this one with reasonable running costs and want to stick with petrol engines because it has a huge lpg tank.

Post by **wasserleaker** » 31 Dec 2006, 19:29

Is the idea of building it with a high comp. ratio, to suit running on L.P.G. Andy, as i read that gas can stand more ign. advance and compression ratio?

Post by **andysimpson** » 31 Dec 2006, 21:07

wasserleaker wrote:Is the idea of building it with a high comp. ratio, to suit running on L.P.G. Andy, as i read that gas can stand more ign. advance and compression ratio?

Yes, want to get back the power lost by the lpg. LPG is supposed to be good upto around 14-1. I can't remember exactly it was a while ago the timing onmy df is around 30 degrees BTDC at idle and maxing out at about 54 degrees, there is still no pinking and no starting issues. If its anywhere near stock timing its extremely flat and powerless. Its running costs are excellecnt though even compared to the diesel golf i had. On a long run i get around 700-750 on a tank of gas which costs around £52-54 for about 130-135 litres. If i just use it for going to work and general around town it costs about £10 a week, compared to atleast £40 for my syncro td (this one does have some go though which i use). The only big downer for the lpg engines is hills which is probably down to low compression my df does around 83mph on the flat and some hills can get it down to 50, my 5 cylinder one would do over 100 on the flat but hills could soon get that down to 70 ish, my syncro td does 83-85 on the flat and does not slow down for any hills.

Post by **wasserleaker** » 31 Dec 2006, 22:59

Interesting all that, the amount of advance you mentioned surprised me,
would more compression help with the lack of go when dealing with hills while using gas then? i suppose with the boxer engine, you're limited in what you can do regarding upping the comp. ratio beyond DJ type comp. levels, apart from using pistons with a shallower bowl, prob not a deal can be done with the heads machining wise, or skimming the tops of the liners
to up the comp, due to the design of em, not as easy as taking a mm or 2 off the block on an inline 4! that tank sounds a whopper, didn't know they made em to hold 130 ltr. plus. thought the one on mine was big at 90 ltr.

Post by **andysimpson** » 31 Dec 2006, 23:19

wasserleaker wrote:Interesting all that, the amount of advance you mentioned surprised me,
would more compression help with the lack of go when dealing with hills while using gas then? i suppose with the boxer engine, you're limited in what you can do regarding upping the comp. ratio beyond DJ type comp. levels, apart from using pistons with a shallower bowl, prob not a deal can be done with the heads machining wise, or skimming the tops of the liners
to up the comp, due to the design of em, not as easy as taking a mm or 2 off the block on an inline 4! that tank sounds a whopper, didn't know they made em to hold 130 ltr. plus. thought the one on mine was big at 90 ltr.

I ahve thought about upping the compression on a wbx but as you point out its not straight forward block and barrels would need skimming and the cost would be much greater. I really like the smoothness of the wbx's but after that i have not a good thing to say about them, the inline 1.8/2.0 8 valves engines rev higher, do not pi$$ water out of every seal, and don't become external combustion engines as a rod wants to see daylight, there cylinder head bolts are not immersed in water (i would like to congratulate the wbx designer for that, what a f**k up), Parts are plentiful and cheap, they are proper vw engines (reliable/strong).

Tank is a 160 so should hold 128 ltr but i have got 136 in once, it did have severe running problems before filling up though, a normal fill is 125-132 (i like to push my luck, it does not have a petrol system)

Post by **billy739** » 06 Jan 2007, 11:18

hi,i have a pug td in mine,a 1.9td on the auto box caravelle,and a 2.1 td pug on the 2.1 aap box.super duper

http://archive.club8090.co.uk/viewtopic ... highlight=

see if this helps.

Post by **famous phil** » 22 Apr 2007, 22:06

andysimpson wrote:There was a post on here about pugs a few months ago, someone had put a 2.1 in a t25.

Why bother though? The vw diesel fits better and is a better engine, well as a 1.9. I would'nt be able to sleep at night if i put a pug engine in mine. As you may of gathered i hate anything made in france.

the vw fits better if you have a dona diesel engine to start with

if the vw was better then salvage yards would sell them cheaper lol
what you'll find is that through demand it makes them cost to much

i hate anything made in france.[/quote] the 1.9dturbo fitted in my t25 is put together in England

and i can sleep at night as i dont worry any more because i know that the engine i've fitted will get me to work , and with 220k miles on the engine and the odd trip down the drag strip , 22k miles a year its not got it easy

Post by **Ian_Fearn** » 29 Apr 2007, 21:16

famous phil wrote:
andysimpson wrote:There was a post on here about pugs a few months ago, someone had put a 2.1 in a t25.

Why bother though? The vw diesel fits better and is a better engine, well as a 1.9. I would'nt be able to sleep at night if i put a pug engine in mine. As you may of gathered i hate anything made in france.

the vw fits better if you have a dona diesel engine to start with

if the vw was better then salvage yards would sell them cheaper lol
what you'll find is that through demand it makes them cost to much

i hate anything made in france.

the 1.9dturbo fitted in my t25 is put together in England

and i can sleep at night as i dont worry any more because i know that the engine i've fitted will get me to work , and with 220k miles on the engine and the odd trip down the drag strip , 22k miles a year its not got it easy

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Do you make a conversion kit then Phil?

The 2.1 D12 Turbo engine is a fabulous engine. Far better than the nasty 2.5TD unit as used in the XM.

Post by **famous phil** » 20 May 2007, 07:35

well then i've been making them since 91

i get an engineer to make the parts up for me now, got a few orders in at the moment ,, only thing is the engineer is very busy

,,,,,,, my kits are designed so that the engine is mounted tilted over ,as it is in the peugeot ,, so on the t25's the engine lid only needs raising 2" ,, billy 739 on here has lower'd his engine cradle so that his engine lid fits as it should