hi
been reading up on the 2.2 subaru conversion and it sounds like a good route to go when my old 19 packs up,however im not sure how that conversion will work with my 4 speed box as most ive read use the 5speed...any views/points?
many thanks
smithie
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I've replaced my 1.9 with the 2.2 and I run a 5 speed with it and I'm happy with it.
Some may say the 1st gear is a bit low bit I find it ok, I was looking to change to a 4 speed but after some investigation and some questions, the general consensus is it wasn't worth the cost, probably betst to run with what you have got, and if and when it breaks replace it for the 4 speed and give it a try.
Some may say the 1st gear is a bit low bit I find it ok, I was looking to change to a 4 speed but after some investigation and some questions, the general consensus is it wasn't worth the cost, probably betst to run with what you have got, and if and when it breaks replace it for the 4 speed and give it a try.
Gort, Klatuu Baradda Nict-DOH!
hi
thanks for that,makes alot of sense,just wanted to know if the 4speed was a nono from the off!
how do you find the conversion?well worth doing? more fun to drive?....does it feel right?(if that makes sense)
like ive said really thinking of going this route....just want to be 100%
all the best
smithie
thanks for that,makes alot of sense,just wanted to know if the 4speed was a nono from the off!
how do you find the conversion?well worth doing? more fun to drive?....does it feel right?(if that makes sense)
like ive said really thinking of going this route....just want to be 100%
all the best
smithie
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i have 2 ,2.2 conversions 1 for nearly 4yrs and 1 for 18 months both 4 speed but i do see every one that goes through tsr(i also own and run the website)and most have or change to 4 speed but i would say if you have a 5 speed box just use it then change to a 4 when you want.or sell the 5 speed while its good it will more than pay for the 4 
What I think he's saying Klatuu, is that the Scooby 2.2 has a wide and extended enough torque band to happily pull the ratio gaps in the 4 speed box, which happens to be a stronger box.
If your 5-speed box is quiet, synchro not shagged and appears in good nick, then make sure its got some good clean oil in it and it'll likely last well if you don't drive crazily on a daily basis.
If its a syncro you'll have to stick with the 5-speed box
A good idea also to make sure all your CVJs are without any play, and the engine mounting system well thought out and in good condition, so's reducing any shock loadings through the transmission.
Refurb your rear brakes if they have been neglected for a while, might be another suggestion. The fronts should be checked for disc thickness (12mm min I think) and pad wear.
If your 5-speed box is quiet, synchro not shagged and appears in good nick, then make sure its got some good clean oil in it and it'll likely last well if you don't drive crazily on a daily basis.
If its a syncro you'll have to stick with the 5-speed box
A good idea also to make sure all your CVJs are without any play, and the engine mounting system well thought out and in good condition, so's reducing any shock loadings through the transmission.
Refurb your rear brakes if they have been neglected for a while, might be another suggestion. The fronts should be checked for disc thickness (12mm min I think) and pad wear.
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hi
thanks for the info,luck is on my side it seems as mine is a 4speed(although it has a slight whine in second).
is the 2.2 the best all round engine or is the 2.5 just a good option!
firm believer in "no subsitute for cc" approach or is that just over board? would there be much difference fuel wise/performance?
all the best
smithie
thanks for the info,luck is on my side it seems as mine is a 4speed(although it has a slight whine in second).
is the 2.2 the best all round engine or is the 2.5 just a good option!
firm believer in "no subsitute for cc" approach or is that just over board? would there be much difference fuel wise/performance?
all the best
smithie
If you've read the Wiki on Alt engines already? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
http://wiki.80-90.co.uk/index.php/Alter ... a.27.27.27
... then you'll know there's at least two different 2.5's and in fact even more variants.
There's the pre-99? DOHC, and the later one, a revamped SOHC design. There are also Import versions with VVT (Richard Jones RJES installation demo Syncro runs one of these, effortless power and not bad economy, unless you continually wind them up through the gears).
The 2.2 has always been a SOHC but has been changed many times, slowly developing in power and economy, the big break-point being '94, most use pre-94 engines for cost reasons, and the electronics/harnesses are documented better, though some JDM engines are available from TSRDragRacers in the UK. 2.2's go from 126 BHP to about 135 BHP, but everyone quotes the latest figure regradless it seems!
Some 2.5 versions have had head-gasket problems, and as usual some people make more of this than others.
Do your due diligence whatever engine you're going for, mostly subaruvanagon forum will have the info you require, as the US has by far the most Subaru conversions.
The 2.5 DOHC will definitely be more juicy than the 2.2, and the SOHC too, though less so.
(see the Wiki link for a cross-plot of the sfc polar, that should give an idea of what is realistic mpg-wise and what is not)
The 2.5's are rarer and later so they cost more to get your hands on a good one, less than 100~ 125,000 miles I'd say, but all depends on lady luck and how well its been looked after.
http://wiki.80-90.co.uk/index.php/Alter ... a.27.27.27
... then you'll know there's at least two different 2.5's and in fact even more variants.
There's the pre-99? DOHC, and the later one, a revamped SOHC design. There are also Import versions with VVT (Richard Jones RJES installation demo Syncro runs one of these, effortless power and not bad economy, unless you continually wind them up through the gears).
The 2.2 has always been a SOHC but has been changed many times, slowly developing in power and economy, the big break-point being '94, most use pre-94 engines for cost reasons, and the electronics/harnesses are documented better, though some JDM engines are available from TSRDragRacers in the UK. 2.2's go from 126 BHP to about 135 BHP, but everyone quotes the latest figure regradless it seems!
Some 2.5 versions have had head-gasket problems, and as usual some people make more of this than others.
Do your due diligence whatever engine you're going for, mostly subaruvanagon forum will have the info you require, as the US has by far the most Subaru conversions.
The 2.5 DOHC will definitely be more juicy than the 2.2, and the SOHC too, though less so.
(see the Wiki link for a cross-plot of the sfc polar, that should give an idea of what is realistic mpg-wise and what is not)
The 2.5's are rarer and later so they cost more to get your hands on a good one, less than 100~ 125,000 miles I'd say, but all depends on lady luck and how well its been looked after.
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hi
thanks for the indepth info,just thought of the 2.5 lump after reading about the different types on the forum spill regarding engine mods(very helpful)
been looking at scoobys,was after a complete car to get the bits but it seems hard finding one thats 2.2 with a manual,yet ive seen afew that have been 2.5 with manual,thats why i wondered about that engine.
was thinking of getting a car with tax,mot,as low mileage as possible that i could drive around in for abit while i sort other bits of my van out then strip the car down and do the conversion (all for £2.50 of course ) but finding the right car is proving alittle tricky it seems 
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all the best
smithie
thanks for the indepth info,just thought of the 2.5 lump after reading about the different types on the forum spill regarding engine mods(very helpful)
been looking at scoobys,was after a complete car to get the bits but it seems hard finding one thats 2.2 with a manual,yet ive seen afew that have been 2.5 with manual,thats why i wondered about that engine.
was thinking of getting a car with tax,mot,as low mileage as possible that i could drive around in for abit while i sort other bits of my van out then strip the car down and do the conversion (all for £2.50 of course
) but finding the right car is proving alittle tricky it seems .all the best
smithie
Keep looking, they do come up, often farmers left standing in Scotland or Outer Hebrides
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