Petrol engines 1.9 Timing

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Technique applies to DJ or DH

DG Vs DJ (comparative advance curves)

HarryMann: 1.9 DH Ignition timing (DG with Digijet fuel-injection)

Before getting all this checked/reset - you should really quickly physically inspect that the vac/adv. and cent. unit 'seem' to be working OK, e.g. no obvious leaks in hoses, blockages at pressure tappings, and no gummed up dizzy. Because unless someone has been swinging that dizzy around lately, that's not what's wrong - it'll be the vac or cent. unit, so don't go swinging it around unless you know for sure it needs swinging! It might stop the popping back but lead to over-advance under load at speed if the dizzy's a mess.

NB. Always ensure the distributor and its adjacent housing have clear and accurate marks of their physical position, before loosening or swinging the dizzy. This can be accomplished using a sharp centre punch to put a couple of spot marks directly next to each other, allowing an accurate return of the original static positioning and to see physically at a glance how much any changes have moved it.

Here goes: timing a DH

Static timing 5 degrees ATDC +/- 1 degree (also at 900 rpm with vac hoses disconnected and ISU plugs disconnected from unit and plugged into each other) That's After TDC, which may seem strange but is a consequence of the Vacuum Advance/Retard unit's operation, so...

You really must not trust a static setting, it needs strobe timing, so that can actually see the true advance working and check it at 3 conditions at least:-

Normal Idle 850 rpm +/- 50, test idle 900 rpm Idle Stab. Control unit (on L/H engine flitch panel, near coil and Hall control unit) MUST have its plugs disconnected and joined together first.. Pull both hoses off vac/adv unit on dizzy

Firing order 1 - 4 - 3 - 2 Number one is the front right cylinder. When viewed from the rear

Set engine to 900 rpm, note down the advance angle... (against TDC mark). The following figures are relative to that figure, that is, in addition to the figure noted (which should be about 5 ATDC), so being After TDC you need to ADD that to the figures you see. (Subtract if its BTDC, true advance)

Cent. adv starts at: 1050~1150 rpm @ 2400 rpm should be 16~20 deg. @ 3800 rpm should be 21~25 deg. and not increase thereafter.

So if you find its 5 deg ATDC at 900 rpm, you'll be looking for about 13 deg. and 18 deg. at 2400 and 3800 rpm respectively. And the the strobe mark doesn't start moving until above about 1100 rpm

If you find the static setting is out much, reset this first, provided you have followed the pre-test instructions properly

Vacuum advance/retard You can't test this accurately without a manifold vacuum gauge, and again you need to be thorough and not confused about the process - have a clear understanding of what your are doing and why. But you can at least quickly pop the pipes back on the vacuum unit one at a time to see that the timing does move i.e. the vac unit appears to work and hasn't got a broken diaphragm, or isn't 'stuck'.

Here are the figures if you need to get a garage mechanic to check/set it for you..

Same as before, except with vac unit's pipes conencted back up; ISU unit's two plugs connected together; idle at ~900 rpm and note down the basic timing setting first (so you can Add or Subtract it, depending on if its ATDC or BTDC respectively) then...

Vac Advance starts 190~230 mbar(14~17 cm Hg) Ends @ 360 mbar (27 cm Hg) with 12~16 degress advance

Vac Retard starts 100~220 mbar (7.5~16.5 cm Hg) Ends @ 260~360 mbar (19.5~27 cm Hg) with 9~11 degrees retard

About 009 Distributors

Setting up timing on a 1.9DG

Simple explantation, courtesy of Itchyfeet:

Turn the engine so you can see the timing marks on the pulley where the aux belt is, there should be a U shape for TDC on one edge of pulley and a V shape about 7mm to the right on the other edge of the pulley, this is the 5 degrees before top dead centre mark (BTDC) mark both with tippex

Then connect your strobe light to plug lead no1 or clamp it on if it's the clamp on type, No1 cylinder is front of van right as you look from the rear.

connect the 12v power to strobe and ground to body, easiest place for 12V is the alternator bolt if it is a late van, if early van may need to get a connection to the stud in the black box.

get the leads away from the belt and pulley

start the engine

allow the choke to come off

remove the vac pipe from dizzy, (revs will drop a little) and point the timing gun at the pulley, you should see the marks, the V should align with centre of engine, that's the edge of the casting above.

if you have a rev counter you should set the idle stop to 900rpm after removing the vac pipe but if not don't worry

if it's out then you need to turn off engine, loosen pinch bolt on dizzy, restart engine and repeat, rotate dizzy until the V mark aligns with centre of engine, use rubber gloves, turn off engine and tighten without moving dizzy.

restart and check

refit vac pipe

Some strobe guns have an adjustable advance, if it has one then make sure it's set to zero or read up how to use it.