Rocky Mountain Westy Plate Bumpers

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Re: Rocky Mountain Westy Plate Bumpers

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Agree with the look of the front bumper, very good effort, its getting there.
Had the same Idea after seeing my mates new disco winch bumper(Will post a picture soon).
Am thinking about making a drop down level in the middle to mount my winch
and avoid some of the interuption in air flow through my intercooler exchanger.
I an also not sure about the fixings, I have 2 x 8.8 medium carbon 16mm bolts on my tow hitch.
Their yield and performance is set down as a standard(as long as corectly tightened).
Cant find a Yield table for s/s, can you help?

If I could find a stainless wheelnuts that conformed I'd have em!!!

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Re: Rocky Mountain Westy Plate Bumpers

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It has been written on many forums like this one that Stainless Steel fixings should never be used on safety critical joints. Stainless Steel simply just does not have the same mechanical properties as steel, it not meant to. I doubt if you would find stainless wheel nuts for sale anywhere.
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syncropaddy wrote:It has been written on many forums like this one that Stainless Steel fixings should never be used on safety critical joints. Stainless Steel simply just does not have the same mechanical properties as steel, it not meant to. I doubt if you would find stainless wheel nuts for sale anywhere.

No, I remember the old Volvo ones, mild steel nut with a stainless cap pressed over the hex.
Look lovely until a few years down the line and the steel has corroded and swolen so you can't get a socket on.
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Once you had chiselled the caps off they then became 18mm, fantastic.
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Re: Rocky Mountain Westy Plate Bumpers

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footstuck wrote:Agree with the look of the front bumper, very good effort, its getting there.
Had the same Idea after seeing my mates new disco winch bumper(Will post a picture soon).
Am thinking about making a drop down level in the middle to mount my winch
and avoid some of the interuption in air flow through my intercooler exchanger.

I had my winch fitted to my Doka right out at the front and it was bloody horrible, boinging around on the smallest of humps and bumps in the road/green lane. Like this,

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I have now fitted it to the Westy and that has stiffer springs via this method closer to the front wheels,

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It has been a week or so now and that has given it time to settle. I am going to replace the heavy steel wire with a plasma rope that should help but a bit of front suspension modification is still going to happen soon I think. Just waiting on the new rope to go on and for it to settle after that so I can get it bang on.

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Re: Rocky Mountain Westy Plate Bumpers

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Simon Baxter wrote:
syncropaddy wrote:It has been written on many forums like this one that Stainless Steel fixings should never be used on safety critical joints. Stainless Steel simply just does not have the same mechanical properties as steel, it not meant to. I doubt if you would find stainless wheel nuts for sale anywhere.

No, I remember the old Volvo ones, mild steel nut with a stainless cap pressed over the hex.
Look lovely until a few years down the line and the steel has corroded and swolen so you can't get a socket on.
Depest of deep joy.
Once you had chiselled the caps off they then became 18mm, fantastic.

I have a friend who is a chemist and into land rovers. We had an interesting chat one night when she explained to me what stainless does to mild steel and how she never has the hart to tell people who smugly say how they have swapped all the fixings on their car to stainless have actually f**ked their car right up.

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Re: Rocky Mountain Westy Plate Bumpers

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at last some pics of the Jedmobiles new winch fitting

is there a tube through the deform member or just a hole ?

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I like your winch installation Jed. Is the deform member strengthened? How do you keep all the 5h1t out of the mechanism - bashplate? How do you keep the cable from knotting up or is this why you are fitting a plasma rope?
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Aidan wrote:at last some pics of the Jedmobiles new winch fitting

is there a tube through the deform member or just a hole ?

Just a hole, though I am gutted that i have just paid £157 for a length of f**king string to cut down on weight, but saved the pain in the a*** of raising the front suspension. (dont tell the Mrs Neil, she will go Radio Rental even though it was off ebay for half the price as retail)

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Ahhh, so you bought the baling twine then. Gonna get a scruffy dog to attach to an offcut?

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v-lux wrote:Ahhh, so you bought the baling twine then. Gonna get a scruffy dog to attach to an offcut?

whos dog are you calling scruffy my dog just smells
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syncropaddy wrote:I like your winch installation Jed. Is the deform member strengthened? How do you keep all the 5h1t out of the mechanism - bashplate? How do you keep the cable from knotting up or is this why you are fitting a plasma rope?


I have a drop down wheel carrier so its not to bad if it needs a tweek, like this

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This is the bracket,

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Lets be honest it isnt going to weaken it.

The winch is actually fitted upside down but I have had to tweak it as it is a prototype, and have realized through the fitting what vans it will fit and why. I had Silverbullet, (AKA Ian) commission this one off bracket as a job to see how it goes. Thing is like anything else untill I have actually tried it out and put a few hundred miles of pulling under its belt it isnt worth a toss yet... Fingers crossed and no doubt many more tweaks to follow, that is to be expected with a prototype

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v-lux wrote:Ahhh, so you bought the baling twine then. Gonna get a scruffy dog to attach to an offcut?

I take it you got home in one peace

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Re: Rocky Mountain Westy Plate Bumpers

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Mate, thats a great bracket, and position.
I guess what steel you remove to allow for even spooling of the drum,
and getting the rope through to the fairlead rollers ,
you more than make up for with the strength of that mount.
Will the plasma rope take up more or less space on the drum?

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Yeah, got back about 20mins ago.....

So it sounds like we need to get your van VERY stuck sometime soon then if this winch mount needs testing. I look forward to that!

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footstuck wrote:Mate, thats a great bracket, and position.
I guess what steel you remove to allow for even spooling of the drum,
and getting the rope through to the fairlead rollers ,
you more than make up for with the strength of that mount.
Will the plasma rope take up more or less space on the drum?

Thats the Idea... To be fair I am not going to feed you a load of sh*te how great it is and how much research I have done by relaying other peoples bullsh*t on various other forums around the world and passing it off as my actual experience, blah blah blah... Like I said without giving it a good go with Al, Jake, Russel, and any other of my regular off road chums its still not worth a toss but I cant see it not working through the productive chats Ian and I had on his drive on our backs on his drive with me saying how I wanted it and him building what was required. If it doesnt work or it has to be given even more tweaks than has already been given to the raw deighn that Ian built exactly to my requirements (he did a good job) its failings wont be down to Ian.

So fingers crossed, lets try it out

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