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[matty o]

I am a fully time served electrician, have a degree in building services engineering and currently work as a facilities manager in-charge of contractors carry out this kind off work.

The point I was trying to make is you do not need to be an electrician and part P registered to carry out this work but is a hell off a lot easier to.

I would recommend you do use a correctly trained craftsmen as it would not cost that much plus you would have piece of mind that the house is safe, after all they reckon 1 in 5 house fires are coursed by poor electrics.

As a note the IEE regs are not law
The electricity at work act and building regs are.

[280stiracer]

hmmmmm

so where does this leave me 1664???

..... i have completed the 3 year course i have done the 17th top up course i have been told by college guys i dont have to do the part p to do work on fuse boards complete rewires etc ....

[matty o]

Right you asked for it, this is my understanding

The way things are set out there are three "classes" of installer allowed for in the regs: The DIY installer, the qualified electrician who is not "Part P registered" and the qualified electrician who is. All of the above are allowed to carry out whatever domestic works they want, but the extent to which Building Control must verify the installation varies.

A qualified "Part P registered" sparky only has to register the work he has done with his Part P registration body (NICEIC Elecsa, Napit et al) and these bodies will directly inform the local Authority Building Control that it has been done. Same as a CORGI gas job, this is end of story - usually automatically approved.
Notifiable works being done by a qualified "non Part P registered" sparky or a DIY'er are subject to application to Building Control before starting the work (unless it is part of a larger job like an extension in which case it is included in the main application). The fee payable will depend on the value of works including the electrical work and no extra charge can be levied over and above the standard application fee to cover the cost of inspection and testing by building control .
Building control should be informed at the stage of completed 1st fix that they can come out to inspect, which they can do themselves, or they can pay a Part P registered electician to do for them or they can choose not to inspect at all - as they see fit. When the work is complete, if a qualified electrician did the work he should complete and supply to the customer a BS7671 Certificate for the work he has done, which the BCO will want to see. He, or any DIY installer should inform building control when the work is complete who in turn may choose to inspect and test before issuing their completion certificate. They will take any BS7671 cert issued against the job into consideration and can approve with or without further testing. They can either not test at all, test the work themselves, or instruct a Part P registered electrician of their choosing to do it for them. If the latter is done then this must be carried out by the same sparky who inspected the first fix).

Hope that makes sense

[1664]

matty o, you're pretty much on the money

Part P is a building reg not a IEE electrical reg so you can do the work covered by part P.
Part P brings the electrical regs into the building regs and as such you must comply with the requirements of BOTH or it's an offence both are correct it is actually a part of the building regs based on the iee regs, anybody can do the work but then you have to get it certified by a qualified person. in a real world a qualified person will not test this and part p it for you because by doing so they are taking responsibilty for the work done as signed for on the bs7671 certs.
(running out of colours here).......anyone can do the work PROVIDED that it is under the supervision ie, inspected during 1st & 2nd fix by a competent person. I do agree with your "in the real world" statement

But you must notify and have the work inspected after by the local building control officer.
Not sufficient I'm afraid, in order to inspect the work the control officer has to visit site both during the work and after the work has taken place. Most control officers are not suitably qualified from an electrical perspective (they certainly won't know how to test and certify it) and will simply farm this aspect out to someone who is, eg a self certifying electrician. you can register a job with the bco yourself for a fee, but technically they wont come out because changing a fuseboard does not involve 1st and 2nd fix, they like to see both. as above bco are not qualified
To be honest I was referring to works generally rather than specifically a fuse board change, however a fuseboard change may involve 1st fix works as you may have to extend cables, or a slight relocation etc.
Buy the time you have done this it would be easier to get a part P registered craftsman in the first place.
That's what it's basically designed to make happen

to be fair it would be easier to get a qualified spark who can part p.
Oh, absolutely

This is actually what I do for a living....................

hmmmmm

so where does this leave me 1664???

..... i have completed the 3 year course i have done the 17th top up course i have been told by college guys i dont have to do the part p to do work on fuse boards complete rewires etc ....

You are in the same situation as me. You are 'competent' and can carry out the works (and the inspection and testing) as required by the Electrical Regulations but as you personally are not registered to self-certify Part P notifiable works, you must be employed by a company that IS, in which case you are carrying out the works as their employee but they are ultimately responsible for the notification and self certification under Part P. The only way around this is to limit the work to non-notifiable work (but still requires testing etc) OR if you are planning on going self-employed, get yourself registered to carry out notifiable works. Bugger innit?

As a note the IEE regs are not law
The electricity at work act and building regs are.

Correct, the IEE Regs are not law, but if for example as a DIY'er you did some work, did not or did not know how to test and certify it as required by the IEE Regs and subsequentially someone was injured or killed, you would be prosecuted under both The Health and Safety Act and The Electricity Regulations. Rather uniquely, these require you to prove that you complied with them and if you comply with the IEE Regs you are deemed to have complied with them. If you did not test and certify the works you would not have complied with the IEE Regs and would almost certainly be found guilty of bodily harm, manslaughter, whatever....

All this confusion is a direct result of a government not listening to represenatives of the industry and bulldozing through in a set timescale an ill conceived and virtually un-enforceable requirement.

What they should have said is that if any person or organisation is not competent (qualified) to design, install, inspect, test and certificate any electrical work, they will be committing a criminal offence.

"Simples" as that Meercat on the telly says..................

[matty o]

Thank god that sorted can i go for a drink now, my round

[VWCamperfan]

I thought this thread was going to be as long as the three-word-story... Where is that, by the way?!!!

(sneaks off, hoping no one noticed...)

[1664]

I thought this thread was going to be as long as the three-word-story...

I must admit, I'm not going to type so much as one more syllable on the subject.....

[VWCamperfan]

I bet you do!

[matty o]

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