LPG advise - who uses it ? whats it run like ?

Post by **AngeloEvs** » 27 Apr 2008, 20:34

Spain is very difficult and we only spotted one LPG station in Greece and none in Switzerland, Italy is very good. I have the majority of UK LPG stations on my Tom-Tom and will do a search to see if there is a similar database for Western Europe.

Post by **D1XY** » 01 May 2008, 07:16

Ive run on LPG for 7 years on a 1.9 carb engine and changed the engine to a 2.1 inj. No problems with either, I had mine done in Luton who was very cheep

Post by **Gunslinger** » 01 May 2008, 07:29

can air cooled engines run on LPG?

Post by **steve8090** » 01 May 2008, 08:01

Gunslinger wrote:can air cooled engines run on LPG?

www.gasure.co.uk

Post by **D1XY** » 01 May 2008, 08:09

The coolng has nothing to do with the fuel system so it is OK to convert an Aircooled bus

Post by **lloyd** » 02 May 2008, 19:39

Gunslinger wrote:can air cooled engines run on LPG?

LPG vaporizer has to be heated by engine to vaporize LPG for engine to run on. Water cooled engines have lines running to vaporizer. Air cooled engines use hot exhaust (as shown on gasure link, click on conversions, upper right pic) there is no hot liquid coolant to use.

Post by **andysimpson** » 02 May 2008, 20:24

Mocki wrote:
you will find the only people on here who wont give LPG the thumbs up are those that cant use it, because they made a duff choice of engine.

I have had 3 engines on lpg a DF,DG and a 5cylinder, performance of all was pathetic, running costs were good but so are my diesels, perofrmance of the diesels is excellent. My panel van costs me less than £5 per week more with diesel, 300miles a week, it has 3 times more power than the DF it replaced and i use it. I would never go back to lpg.

Post by **AngeloEvs** » 02 May 2008, 21:13

I haven't noticed any deterioration in performance on either of my lpg converted vehicles but both are set up spot on. They run just as sweet on lpg. Diesels do have advantages but the 'pollution' argument is one that no diesel can win. When Bio fuels become more readily available and VW DG spares unobtainable we will probably all end up transplanting diesel lumps.

Post by **andysimpson** » 02 May 2008, 22:26

AngeloEvs wrote:I haven't noticed any deterioration in performance on either of my lpg converted vehicles but both are set up spot on. They run just as sweet on lpg. Diesels do have advantages but the 'pollution' argument is one that no diesel can win. When Bio fuels become more readily available and VW DG spares unobtainable we will probably all end up transplanting diesel lumps.

2 of mine were lpg only and setup to get the best out of them. My diesels are also setup to get the best out of them and they pump pure black smoke, nice on the environment they are not

Post by **lloyd** » 03 May 2008, 05:14

AngeloEvs wrote:When Bio fuels become more readily available and VW DG spares unobtainable we will probably all end up transplanting diesel lumps.

If bio fuels become readily available, we wouldn't have enough land producing food to feed us.

And the energy balance sucks. Bio deisel from less then 1.0 to as high as 3.24 (more then 1 liter to produce 1 liter to 1 liter to produce 3.24 liters). Ethanel is worse at .59 to 1.79 (1 liter to produce .59 liters to 1 liter to produce 1.79 liters).

Post by **lloyd** » 03 May 2008, 05:32

AngeloEvs wrote:I haven't noticed any deterioration in performance on either of my lpg converted vehicles but both are set up spot on. They run just as sweet on lpg.

Only been driving on LPG for 7 month, but find no cold start provisions on LPG system make it problematic for first 5 miles of commute. I do notice a slight loss of power compared to petrol, and the adaptor on top of carb lowered petrol performance as well. I'm getting about 18mpg commuting 13 miles each way to work. On holidays we get from 19 to 24mpg averaging 22. This is mostly relaxed country driving at 45 - 60 mph.

Would I do it again? Yes, but it's not all it's cracked up to be. It's much more temperamental then petrol or diesel. I'd compare it to building a high performance engine and trying to drive it on the street... lots of little nagging issues like much slower fueling, not idling at steady rpm while warming up, dieing at stops and roundabouts, chugging and bucking at same, takes longer to warm up then on petrol... all of above until fully warmed up. Also, last 1/5 of tank of fuel sometimes doesn't perform as well.

With fossil fuel prices on the rising dramatically (and no end in sight) we need alternative energy... not fossil fuel substitutes. More solar and wind power. And something totally new to replace fossil fuels.

Post by **Mocki** » 03 May 2008, 07:22

llyod, you need to get yours set up properly, it shouldnt be like that..........
give steve a call, have a day at chester.........

set up correctly there is no difference in power between LPG and petrol, it all how you want it set up, power v econemy, mine is better on lpg than petrol, yes i could get a few more MPG if i turned it down, but as i never use petrol, i see no point.......

lpg is 55ppl here, derv 121 ppl, petrol 116 , its a no brainer........

Post by **lloyd** » 03 May 2008, 07:33

Steve did the install and has tuned. First time he set idle at 650 rpm at shop. Second time he set idle at 1200 at shop. No idea why he set it 550 rpm difference in idle speed... and I can't afford to drive 260 miles each way trying to get it set up.

Post by **andysimpson** » 03 May 2008, 17:16

Mine did idle perfect at all times but did not have nasty carbs or injection.

LPG maybe cheap but it does not go very far especially in very slow moving traffic, diesel may cost twice more but it goes twice further.

Post by **kevtherev** » 03 May 2008, 17:56

andysimpson wrote:
LPG maybe cheap but it does not go very far especially in very slow moving traffic, diesel may cost twice more but it goes twice further.

you crack me up andysimpson