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peasant wrote:jenna wrote:We have looked at the 8.13 but...these come in at over 7.5 ton ...
just on that note:
In Germany at least, it is no problem to have these registered at (and all the paperwork changed to) 7.49 tons before you buy.
(The seller in the ad would do this for you, if requested)
Still carries 3 tons, but all the other hassle disappears.
even 7.5 tonners if run commercially still need a 'O' license, CPC , same checks as any other HGV ( its now 3.5 ton or above) the only saving would be in training others to drive it ( I drive race car transporters for a living so have an HGV1 already)... If I could find one at £5-6K max we could then afford the extra to kit it out but at £8-10k+ for a 10 year old bare truck it's still very expensive.
http://man.lauerbach.de/wiki/file.do?pa ... AGE001.JPG
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We did briefly look at the LT45 but there few and far between with very little difference in size to a synchro... but as its built on a ladder chassis the carrying weight capacity is much betterhttp://man.lauerbach.de/wiki/file.do?pa ... AGE001.JPG
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How's about a Renault Dodge RB44
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you can find ex army ones at Witham SV
http://www.witham-sv.com/infopage.php?ID=582&Overide=1
I've had a couple and they are well built and had Perkins Phaser engines
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you can find ex army ones at Witham SV
http://www.witham-sv.com/infopage.php?ID=582&Overide=1
I've had a couple and they are well built and had Perkins Phaser engines
"Boldly Going Nowhere"
after a chat with the 'udder half what we are considering is..
a: run 2 syncros but dump a load of the weight.
b: run 1 syncro and then buy something 16-18 ton to do the donkey work
c: neither, go down the pub and plastered...
so that means more questions..
from a bit of research the syncro 16 looks a bit more beefed up ( reinforced chassis/ driveshafts etc) so as SYNCROSPARES says this might be a better option assuming we can find one, it's in budget etc etc
if we look at a 14 is it possible to change all the cv/shafts to the Porsche 959 ones?.. way stronger than type2 which I assume is the same as on the syncro!
Another question is how different is a 2wd doka chassis to a 4wd one (ignoring the obvious missing 4wd components!)... I know that styer used the stock panda body when they made the 4x4 version.. so could be get a 2 wheeler and then retrofit the 4wd upgrading the swing arms and so on as we go... lot of work but that's not a problem as the vehicle would be rebuilt anyway.
Next question... syncro gearboxes, in the past cogbox have done my race box (bus box) are there and specialists in the syncro boxes???.. Mudlark you mention Aiden and everybody seems to know who you mean?
sooo.. last question
, how often do syncro 16 Doka, syncro14 Doka or just a bog standard 2wd Doka appear in need rebuild state... seen most of these are already cherished rebuilds?
ok so lied last question!... if do go with a vehicle that's needs a total rebuild is there a supplier of pattern body panels?
thanks
Jenna
ps i'm calling the crew cab a Doka?.. or is Doka just a term for pick up and it should be 'crew cab Doka'?
a: run 2 syncros but dump a load of the weight.
b: run 1 syncro and then buy something 16-18 ton to do the donkey work
c: neither, go down the pub and plastered...
so that means more questions..
from a bit of research the syncro 16 looks a bit more beefed up ( reinforced chassis/ driveshafts etc) so as SYNCROSPARES says this might be a better option assuming we can find one, it's in budget etc etc
if we look at a 14 is it possible to change all the cv/shafts to the Porsche 959 ones?.. way stronger than type2 which I assume is the same as on the syncro!
Another question is how different is a 2wd doka chassis to a 4wd one (ignoring the obvious missing 4wd components!)... I know that styer used the stock panda body when they made the 4x4 version.. so could be get a 2 wheeler and then retrofit the 4wd upgrading the swing arms and so on as we go... lot of work but that's not a problem as the vehicle would be rebuilt anyway.
Next question... syncro gearboxes, in the past cogbox have done my race box (bus box) are there and specialists in the syncro boxes???.. Mudlark you mention Aiden and everybody seems to know who you mean?
sooo.. last question
, how often do syncro 16 Doka, syncro14 Doka or just a bog standard 2wd Doka appear in need rebuild state... seen most of these are already cherished rebuilds?ok so lied last question!... if do go with a vehicle that's needs a total rebuild is there a supplier of pattern body panels?
thanks
Jenna
ps i'm calling the crew cab a Doka?.. or is Doka just a term for pick up and it should be 'crew cab Doka'?
Aidan is 'Beaker' on these forums. Gearbox wizard extraordinaire.
http://www.aidantalbot.co.uk
Double cab is DOKA, Single cab has been referred to as a SIKA for parity
http://www.aidantalbot.co.uk
Double cab is DOKA, Single cab has been referred to as a SIKA for parity
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1.9 TDI Syncro 16 Westfalia Joker
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1.9 TDI Syncro 16 Westfalia Joker
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Do-Ka stands for DOppel KAbine ...which means nothing else but double cab.
The bodywork on 2WD and 4WD is largely the same, with the exception of a subframe kind of thing for the front axle and gearbox.
Big difference is the tank, which moves rearward to make room for FWD
The chassis re-inforcements on the 16" are hardly worth talking about.
some closed of panels in the innards of the rear wing crossmembers, a little bit of sheet metal in or around the B Pillar that has yet to be found/photographed and (maybe or maybe not) extra internal re-inforcements on the long chassis frame bits.
A 14" with "Schlechtwegepaket" would have the same.
The main differences are:
different driveshafts / CV joints
different rear suspension swing arm (hard to get)
slight cut out in front wing to accommodate larger tyres.
The bodywork on 2WD and 4WD is largely the same, with the exception of a subframe kind of thing for the front axle and gearbox.
Big difference is the tank, which moves rearward to make room for FWD
The chassis re-inforcements on the 16" are hardly worth talking about.
some closed of panels in the innards of the rear wing crossmembers, a little bit of sheet metal in or around the B Pillar that has yet to be found/photographed and (maybe or maybe not) extra internal re-inforcements on the long chassis frame bits.
A 14" with "Schlechtwegepaket" would have the same.
The main differences are:
different driveshafts / CV joints
different rear suspension swing arm (hard to get)
slight cut out in front wing to accommodate larger tyres.
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My favourite is the MAN FAE truck:
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Here the complete brochure:
http://boltze.dyndns.org/terlinden/pros ... n/MAN_4x4/
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Here the complete brochure:
http://boltze.dyndns.org/terlinden/pros ... n/MAN_4x4/
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Caravelle GL syncro 1985
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Hi ,
Offcourse you are going 16", just the looks of a 16" is much better then a 14". YOU WANT THE REAL THING
I drive both TDI and WBX , there is nothing wrong with the WBX , yes, its lack the torque of a TDI but its more quit and is better on highway cruising . i have driven loads of mileage with a WBX and they have never let me down.
This blue 16" syncropaddy is reffering to has only one difflock.
Look at the one of www.busman.be . This one has 2 difflocks and is also cheaper!!
Erwin
doka mTDI 16"
Caravelle 16" WBX
Offcourse you are going 16", just the looks of a 16" is much better then a 14". YOU WANT THE REAL THING
I drive both TDI and WBX , there is nothing wrong with the WBX , yes, its lack the torque of a TDI but its more quit and is better on highway cruising . i have driven loads of mileage with a WBX and they have never let me down.
This blue 16" syncropaddy is reffering to has only one difflock.
Look at the one of www.busman.be . This one has 2 difflocks and is also cheaper!!
Erwin
doka mTDI 16"
Caravelle 16" WBX
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re the gearbox,
in difflock guise it has a four pinion diff, it is the 5 speed with a built in reduction box to give low first and reverse gear and output to the front diff.
Same weakness as the five speed, though slightly less prone as gears and bearings are bigger.
Not a great deal can be done to strengthen overall as limited by design and unique parts. SA used oiling plates to try and put oil on the weakspots, this was for 2wd boxes which don't have the same internal baffling as the syncro, they are a pain to fit and I don't use them.
You might want to go for external oil cooling and sprays as a method of keeping the box as cool as possible and targetting the weakspots for lubrication, there's a customer of mine doing that at the mo, and there's others who have gone down that route.
Parts going obsolete all the time now, second gear bearing has now gone, most of the gears, some of the circlips and bearings and the price new of what's left makes your eyes water. Alternative gears are available for third and fourth , stronger and alternative ratios but not cheap.
Used transmissions sell for the same price as a scrap vehicle generally.
Cogbox can do these boxes for you if required but I don't know how much stash of s/h parts Peter has, but I know that everyone is after the same parts, G gear, RG syncro, TD fourth gear and 3/4 synchro and these are generally kerfuffed, my stash isn't bad but has significant gaps.
in difflock guise it has a four pinion diff, it is the 5 speed with a built in reduction box to give low first and reverse gear and output to the front diff.
Same weakness as the five speed, though slightly less prone as gears and bearings are bigger.
Not a great deal can be done to strengthen overall as limited by design and unique parts. SA used oiling plates to try and put oil on the weakspots, this was for 2wd boxes which don't have the same internal baffling as the syncro, they are a pain to fit and I don't use them.
You might want to go for external oil cooling and sprays as a method of keeping the box as cool as possible and targetting the weakspots for lubrication, there's a customer of mine doing that at the mo, and there's others who have gone down that route.
Parts going obsolete all the time now, second gear bearing has now gone, most of the gears, some of the circlips and bearings and the price new of what's left makes your eyes water. Alternative gears are available for third and fourth , stronger and alternative ratios but not cheap.
Used transmissions sell for the same price as a scrap vehicle generally.
Cogbox can do these boxes for you if required but I don't know how much stash of s/h parts Peter has, but I know that everyone is after the same parts, G gear, RG syncro, TD fourth gear and 3/4 synchro and these are generally kerfuffed, my stash isn't bad but has significant gaps.
conventional 4x4 is out as there is neither enough space or carrying capacity, even the biggest land rover the defender 130 doesnt tick all the boxes (engines/gearboes are crap, stretched chassis is weak, and fully loaded they are a pig to drive!).. I should say that I've spent 20+ years working with 4x4s.
At the end of the day if were paying £4-£6k for a synchro doka thats going to need yet anther £2-£3k to get to a spec we need then these too just dont make sense especally with the crappy 900kg payload...
if we can find a scrappy doka thats ok for rebuild cheap we may look at one as a run around but as most people have say we dont think its 'man' enough for the job sadly.
looks like were back where we started at an HGV.
At the end of the day if were paying £4-£6k for a synchro doka thats going to need yet anther £2-£3k to get to a spec we need then these too just dont make sense especally with the crappy 900kg payload...
if we can find a scrappy doka thats ok for rebuild cheap we may look at one as a run around but as most people have say we dont think its 'man' enough for the job sadly.
looks like were back where we started at an HGV.