AAZ Water pump belt JX

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AAZ Water pump belt JX

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Ok so, got a chap with an AAZ engine build thats had everything off a 1.6 TD put on it.. his old 1.6 engine as far as i know was out of a passat which had the JX sump etc on it.
Its been a learning experience to say the least.
Got it all together and running, albeit without timing the pump right.

went out for a drive in it and when you get to a certain rev its like I lift off the throttle and theres no go at all.. Doesn't go much faster than 40MPH just flat I assume the LDA and pump wasn't set right or timed with a gauge just by ear and how much smoke came out the back.. :lol:

Now the unknowns with this engine are:
Injectors (Came with a recon head the guy bought with the block)
Pump, came off the other engine.
Bottom End was never taken apart as the guy didn't want to.
The flywheel I dont think was a JX as when the JX clutch arrived it didn't line up with the dowels, was asked to make it fit so removed two dowels...NOT ideal at all.. but hey do what im told.
I've no idea on how much the fuel screw on this pumps been adjusted as the crimped covers been removed and some of the threads are abit buggered, so I don't know if that's OK I guess wind it in for more fuel? wind it out for less after loosening the 13mm nut? Just need a base to start from.

Set the pump to .95mm with everything timed right in place..
Smokes like crazy (white diesel) from cold with the cold start on runs a bit smoother but still diesel smokey.. backed off (away from head) runs even worse, more towards the head runs better at idle Im thinking time the pump to 1.00 or more if I can?

Boost pin was gummed up and set on the lowest movement, turned it 180 degrees so we got max pin movement.

Went out for a small test drive in it Sunday after timing the pump with the gauge and moving the pin, it had more go and pickup however still didnt want to go more than 50 flat out, then the oil light came on after a mile and pulled over to check, engine was incredibly warm I know EGTs are very important with diesels but no way to test them.. anyway he decided to carry on after I checked the wiring and the light went out.. and putting the heater on and it came through hot ( the wirings.. well its a thing, put it that way.. was an Aircooled van )
Next thing I know I start hearing a pretty nasty knocking/rattling sound and smoke billowing out the back of the van from the exhaust. Got him to pull into a pub carpark and let it sit, decided to tow it back to his house as to not damage things further.. if it hasn't died a death already. The knocking sounded like it was coming from the bellhousing rather than bottom end, I hope.

No coolant leaks anywhere just a very very very hot engine, took the breather off the case and its was smoking from it.
rad gets warm but not super hot.. the thermostat was never changed as he was just gonna reuse what was on the old engine as it "worked" so I was thinking maybe thats stuck. Pipe from thermostat I could hold as it was warm but the other hoses were scalding to touch.

Now when putting all the 1.6 bits onto the AAZ aside from the vaccum pump it still has the JX pulleys for the waterpump and alternator, currently its a one belt setup.. there doesn't seem to be barely any belt against the waterpump pulley and I could move the pulley with my hands until I really levered on the alternator to pull it up enough to its maximum.. Im concerned that either the pump is slipping and not pushing coolant around causing it to overheat or the thermostat is stuck closed. Heater comes on warm no hot cold hot cold so must be getting pumped around... but I was just wondering if the pumps been slipping. Is there a better way to do the water pump and alternator pulleys with the JX pulleys?
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The one belt pulley system came really late ('88 IIRC) to these vans, so I assume that is form the Passat donor.
The early JX system was a two belt system, but that needs different pulleys.
The belts should be really tight (max 5mm impress by finger). A good water pump has not much resistance to turn that is why it works with the one belt system. It should not drag while turning.
You might get a bit more cooling with the AAZ multi-rib belt setup, as it has bigger crank pulley, but that needs a new alternator and its bracket.
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Two thoughts came to my mind.

1,  Are Azz injectors known to work satisfactory with a 1.6 pump?

2, Has a spigot bearing been fitted to the crankshaft ?

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Hey guys,

A new Bearing was already in the crankshaft. When it was being put together.

Yeah Ive read aaz injectors are two stage whereas JX are single (i assume as the old engine was a 1.6 that it would share the same ones as the JX) , so might need more oomph with an actual aaz pump.. But I've read lots of people successfully use the 1.6 pump. It was a concern as I've no idea of the condition of the pump or injectors.

When I'm over there next ill get a picture of the belts.
I've also noticed its got the aaz wobble with the pulley..
The pulley is also non dampened but if I recall he's still got a dampener one in the stash.

I suppose swapping to the larger belt setup with the alternator and waterpump is an option but its sourcing pulleys and explaining that this is the best option.. the only issue is I don't want to suggest things to him if they don't work and its just wasting his money.
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I think injectors should match the injection pump,so one possibility is to fit 1.6 injectors and keep the 1.6 pump.



 

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I have a jx with the single auxiliary belt which I keep adjusted just enough to prevent squeal when the alternator is charging hard and I have never had overheating,so I think the single belt setup is adequate and a nicer job when adjusting is necessary.
 

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the outlet valves on the pump should also be matched to the injectors, there's a lot of precision in the various original set ups, but it also meant that good combination/mix and match set ups could be achieved by knowledgeable people with access to Bosch technical information and catalogues and parts but now it's a bit of a black art and far fewer diesel specialist places with knowledgeable people exist and very limited supply of parts for the old stuff - Bosch are not the company they once were, it is easier to use the brand to sell badged made in china domestic consumer/not very durables than employ nerds and researchers playing with parts to achieve best results and supporting similar people out in the field fixing, servicing and reciprocally supporting the brand

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I did suggest to him to take his old injectors and have them refurbed, but Im not sure if they'd suit the AAZ.
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Well.. mystery solved the bottom end ate itself for breakfast.. so he's after another engine..

Anyone got a running AAZ in good health for sale?
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Stesaw wrote: 18 Aug 2024, 14:04 Anyone got a running AAZ in good health for sale?

:rofl

they nearly always do the bottom pulley bolt

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Yeah i know.. but he wants an engine thats easy to fit in without buying or having mounts fabricated etc.. I said just stick another 1.6 back in as finding an AAZ in good nicks gonna be tricky.
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