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==Stainless Exhausts - Suppliers==
From Cruz:
These are for the most common watercooled 1.9 and 2.1 petrol engines and are not in any particular order
First of all you need to find out what exhaust system you have. Is it the early type or the late type? If your van was registered in 1985 don't go off your registration year as your van may have been built earlier than 1985.
The early exhaust was from 1980-1985 and the silencer is unsupported
The late exhaust was from 1985-1992 and the silencer is larger and supported by two saddles
The attached images at the bottom of this post show what the two types look like as you may have a post 1985 van where the tightwad previous owner fitted an pre-85 exhaust system. :wink:
Standard mild steel Exhaust
Standard mild steel Early and late exhaust systems available from
1) Justkampers - Exhaust system bundle packs available
2) German Swedish and French Car Parts (GSF)
Late DG/DJ Stainless Exhaust Systems
1) Brickwerks seln exact stainless steel copy of the original late exhaust system. You can change the whole system or just the parts that you need at that time depending on your budget.
2) Jp Exhausts sell as well as fit their own late exhaust version.
3) Turbo Thomas sell their version of the late exhaust system
4) It is also an option to fit the vwspeedshop early style exhaust system (see below for web details)
Early DG/DF Exhaust System solutions
1) VW Speedshop sell a stainless system that will fit both early and late vans.
2) Brickwerks are currently developing replica early stainless steel exhaust systems in consultation with their supplier. As this system will be the same as the original system you will have the option to change the whole system or piecemeal to suit your budget.
When they become available it will most likely be posted on the Brickwerks facebook page
3) Consult your local Longlife Exhaust Centre to see if they will build you a custom exhaust
4) Some members have reported that Turbothomas supply early stainless exhaust systems.
5) Fit the late style stainless exhaust to your early van.
The silencer needs supporting on the late system so the parts required are 2nd hand Engine Mount (025-199-221A) and longer M10x85 bolts, Silencer Saddles and straps . (Stainless from Brickwerks or 2nd hand VW originals)
If I have missed anything (most likely) let me know
Custom Alternative Options
http://wiki.club8090.co.uk/index.php/Exhausts_Custom
==DIY Custom Exhaust==
==DIY Custom Exhaust==



Revision as of 10:45, 13 October 2010

DIY Custom Exhaust

CovKid: For the adventurous who have the earlier /. ' .\ /. ' .\ type exhaust flange mountings, you might like to try this.

My camper is actually a watercooled 1.9 DG but this should also work on an aircooled too.

Project: Stainless box half-breed exhaust.

This is a Japanese Kawasaki 98 ZX6R stainless silencer (yes bike) mated to a type4 header (1.7-2.0 aircooled custom type). The header is normally sold by Vw custom outlets with a quietpack or glasspack silencer which frankly, rots out quicker than a stock VW exhaust. The pipework (header) lasts years though (from experience) and you can buy them on their own or even buy the lot from Just Kampers (about £75 incl VAT)) and throw the silencer away or sell it. The headers frequently appear on ebay too. Numerous bike silencer cans will work but I chose this one as its big and non-restrictive, and crucially stainless. What you don't want is to buy a can that strangles your exhaust flow so bear that in mind.

I can't advise on the 3-bolt spacing on motorcycles as they vary quite a bit but you may well find a perfect matched can for the type4 header. I got fairly close using the 98 ZX6R with relatively minor modifications. Australian bike rider 'Bladeracer' from Fireblade.org (thanks) tells me that a '98 ZX6R is 82mm centres and a '98 GSXR750 is 78mm centres - so the GSXR750 might be a better bet, as the header bolt spacing is I think, 80mm and you may only need a round file to sort the holes but as I haven't tried, I can't be absolutely sure. Go do some measurements!

Heres the header and can (silencer) anyway:

Headerkaw.jpg

The 98 ZX6R silencer is surpisingly heavy but it does have a huge inlet (at least 2 1/2"). Bolting everything up is relatively easy although you'll need nuts and bolts rather than just nuts to attach to the rest of the VW pipework (stock VW boxes have studs remember).

Fitted: VERY low note indeed (not easy to hear in video below except towards end of the clip) but its a bit like a Honda Goldwing or a bug with a slightly quieter Zoom Tube (if you know what one of those sounds like). Seems much more responsive (certainly no performance loss as its a good flow through this box) - particularly in 3rd.

Total cost, a mere £80 (£60 for header, £20 s/h ZX65 can). There are various aftermarket cans fitted to the 98 ZX6R including carbon fibre etc but all overkill for this job. A standard second-hand ZX6R can is fine, cost £25 at most and works well on the T25.

Modifications Needed: Nothing major really. Bit of apron cutting was needed for clearance but not much! To be honest, hardest part was taking off the old silencer, requiring (as usual) an angle grinder, hacksaw and much cursing as nuts were completely corroded, and the whole reason why I did the silencer swap in the first place. I was sick of all the corrosion and hassle associated with replacing stock exhausts. These headers allow far more access to retaining nuts as well. Fit copper nuts if you can but certainly use copper grease on threads, thats just good practice when assembling exhausts.

The header needed a slight modification to the flange where it meets silencer - 3-bolt holes were not far enough apart to match Kawasaki 3-bolt so 80/90 member Chickenkoop came up with the really neat idea of hacksawing into each bolt hole in the flange, then levering each with a screwdriver to open them up, welding across the gap - avoiding the need for any adaptor. For a silencer gasket I used sheet ally using a cardboard template as a guide. There may well be a Kawasaki one available but it was quicker and cheaper to just cut one out. Apron fouled the pipes and silencer as I've mentioned, so I removed sufficient metal from the apron with the grinder for clearance. Hardly noticeable - even less so if you painted this part of the apron black.

Additional support fixing is essential or header will be carrying the entire weight. Fortunately the Kawasaki can has a bracket conveniently located on it so I just needed to fix to that to a convenient point on the engine. That way as the engine moves on its mountings, the exhaust moves with it and its held securely. Flat bar with a hole each end is ideal.

Kawawagon.jpg

Presumably the rest of the exhaust system could be made up, piece by piece in stainless if you wanted to keep the early exhaust set up but this is a very cost-effective (if not novel) alternative to the stock steel silencer if you want to try it. Either way, cheap and no more rusty silencer or tail pipes dropping off! It sits more or less flush wih rear apron.

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8bvi6VuJS0 - the smoke is NOT my engine by the way. It was on choke and still burning paint from inside the header pipe!

Update:

Bit of an update after six weeks running with this exhaust. Most definately a performance increase. It seems to have removed what were noticeable flat spots on acceleration and third is now like warp drive on the USS Enterprise. If I had any gripe its that the note is possibly too low (sounds very like a gold wing or large cruising bike around 35mph), but does turn heads without sounding like a hatchback poser. I would recommend this mod for anyone after something a little different or on a limited budget and want a different exhaust box that will last for many years compared to the short-lived EMPI silencer box or even the stock one. No reason why this couldn't work for a later exhaust system but you'd need to figure out the connections.