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The Speedshop SS should arrive sometime next week and the spec says it is suitable for early and late vans. I have searched several threads and many refer to the failure of the supplied bracket. My van has the later type exhaust with the carriers/straps. I was wondering if anyone who has fitted this exhaust to a later van has any info regards using the existing carriers? I will ring Speedshop to see what they say but any additional info would be great.

The Speedshop exhaust is vastly different regards securing the pipework which, because of the routing, does not cross laterally under the gearbox where a centre support bracket is normally used - it seems that the main support for the entire system is largely the box itself and the manifold nuts but from what I have read most seem happy with this design.

other issue is the oil filter if you have a 2.1 I believe you can't use the correct original filter and whatever you do use is in close proximity to the exhaust

Thanks Aiden, there looks to be enough clearance for the oil filter on a 1.9DG but a heat baffle (if needed) could be added relatively easily looking at the system fitted on the VW speedshop site. Too late I bought one......

The info from Speedshop is that the C carriers used on later vans are not used - I guess its a case of making judgements regards the supplied bracket when I fit it. Not sure where they break so may be some one could post a pic of the repair they carried out or explain where the weakness is.

Part number for the correct filter to use with Speedshop exhaust is PN 030 115 561 AB

got the Speedshop SS exhaust fitted last year - well pleased with it so far!

centro wrote:Part number for the correct filter to use with Speedshop exhaust is PN 030 115 561 AB

that's off the golf 1.4/1.6 etc... what's the Man part number for it any one know ?
WBX is W719/12

Not that I have a Speedshop system but from memory if your engine has an oil cooler under the filter (coolant pipes attached) you have to fit a shorter (Polo) oil filter to clear the pipe work. Just ask the suppliers for clarity on this.

Martin

There is a small bracket which goes from the silencer to the cross tube, it's about 25mm wide and 3mm thick with a 90 degree bend in it. It cracks along the bend but tbh mine cracked after about 8 months and I've driven another 10,000 miles or so with it broken with no ill effects. I will get round to welding it back up oneday

Appreciate that, many thanks. I will have a look at the possibilty of welding a section at that bend before fitting - it should arrive tomorrow.

From reading peoples experiences with the various exhaust options I would be suprised if the Speedshop havn't already addressed this particular issue. It wouldn't make much sense for them to be continuing with a design that had a weakness like this. I'm betting that any new supply will already be re-enforced or altered in some way to eliminate any possible re-occurances of this failure.

Martin

The bracket appears to be identical to the description. Just as a precaution I welded a section to strenghthen the bracket at the 90 degree bend.

Oil filter on a 1.9DG isn't a problem but noticed that you cannot re-fit the push rod covers - not a major problem for me as I have only had one in place anyway.

Right - I am now looking at SS again...van number 3 will require something soon.

Its running the 2.1 with oil cooler...so going to need the polo oil filter. Is this going to be too small for the engine? I know speedshop say its ok - anyone running a polo oil filter??

ta muchly.

Either that, or its back to Turbo Thomas who supplied mine and the one for the fasty....both of which have been brilliant.

Em
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I've taken a look at the Mann catalogue and note this
the smaller filter as specified by SS is W712/52 which has a 2.5bar bypass valve integral to it
the correct wbx one is W719/12 which has an itegral bypass valve at only 1 bar

there was a problem a few years ago (back in the early eeeziboard days) I remember when one supplier was supplying the golf filter instead of the T3 one for wbx (physically the same size and indestinguishable from the outside other than by part number) and that also has a higher pressure bypass valve in it and led in some documented cases to oil pressure problems and in the worst cases may have contributed to premature engine failure

wbx has it's own bypass (pressure relief valve) in the engine

personally I wouldn't fit anything but the W719/12 to a WBX, I won't fit a FRAM or anything other than VW or MANN, but that's just me,
but then Edna has her original engine in her now at over 155k miles 24 years in July, 50k miles on lpg in my ownership and she's still good, though the exhaust is hanging and the studs will be a problem when the exhaust finally lets go,
but that's why I'm getting Ian Silverbullet to build me a replacement ready for that day so it will be a complete plug and play swap and
why she get's 6 month/5000 mile which ever comes first oil and filter changes, £20 oil and filter v. £2000 for a good rebuilt engine, makes sense to me same as regular oil changes on gearboxes, regular filter changes, regular brake fluid changes, regular coolant changes, it's the maintenance regieme these vans were specified with (apart from the gearbox, thanks VW for the business)
just because they can cope with neglect doesn't mean we should neglect them, just like children in society, eventually they go BANG

just my opinion of course

Aidan,

thank you.

I know its only your opinion, but is based on an understanding of the part. Good enough for me. Can't see it being easy linking engine death to the reocommendation of a filter through any legal channel.

Will look elsewhere.

Em
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