a selection of adapter plates.......
Posted: 05 Nov 2005, 19:02
I didn't realise so many engines could be fitted so dodgily.
Sadly I don't have my bargepole close, so I'll just steer well clear of them...
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Posted: 05 Nov 2005, 20:12
Posted: 13 Nov 2005, 12:32
what's so dodgily about that, they look OK, bigger pics would help, i seen worse adaptor plates
Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 19:11
Tom
Please give us all a technical breakdown of your reasoning on not using these particular adaptor plates. Some engineering knowledge with good practical backup... i.e. testing faults, bad design etc would be great.
I'm sure the company would be happy to listen.
MG
Please give us all a technical breakdown of your reasoning on not using these particular adaptor plates. Some engineering knowledge with good practical backup... i.e. testing faults, bad design etc would be great.
I'm sure the company would be happy to listen.
MG
Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 21:37
Cheers Mike I've been listening to trained and time served engineers for some time. Curiously I'll choose which monkeys I advise of what I've learned and you're not one of them.
Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 22:15
Enough or someone with a slipper will be along boys
Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 22:31
......oooops i fell of my chair....
laughin on the floor now......
Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 22:39
a selection of adapter plates.......
Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 23:50
hi all
could some one please tell me what is wrong with these plates
as ive bought a kep one from tim at hsl racing
im not trying to start a fight!
i just need to know if anyone on here has had something go wrong with one
many thanks
bob
could some one please tell me what is wrong with these plates
as ive bought a kep one from tim at hsl racing
im not trying to start a fight!
i just need to know if anyone on here has had something go wrong with one
many thanks
bob
Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 08:18
Bob,
You have PM.
Most people on here have some knowledge to back up their claims
And before anyone has a go for me saying this, my question to Tom was one which I feel was needed after his claim about the "engines could be fitted so dodgily"
I wasn't the first to ask the question...
MG
You have PM.
Most people on here have some knowledge to back up their claims
And before anyone has a go for me saying this, my question to Tom was one which I feel was needed after his claim about the "engines could be fitted so dodgily"
I wasn't the first to ask the question...
MG
Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 10:25
Well Mr Bitchin there's nothing inherently wrong with the actual adaptor plate. The issues commonly arise with the implementation of the powerplant and ancilliaries around that adaptor plate.
Take for instance your KEP plate as sold by TSR, which IIRC be installed with a welded flywheel rather than a milled one. Has this been burst tested? How thoroughly have the welds been crack-tested? It'll probably be OK, but why buy a solution like that when you can buy a UK made bellhousing that enables you to use almost all stock VW/Subaru parts in the highly stressed clutch area?
Another issue with adaptor plates is the problem introduced by moving the engine away from the gearbox. In one noteable solution two thrust bearings are welded together and to make the adaptor plate fit bits of a diesel bellhousing must be chiselled off.
Probably the single largest issue surrounding an engine mounted on an adaptor plate is actually making the mounting system for the engine. Unless you have very comprehensive mikanikal nolidge and spend the time to develop a correctly engineered engine mounting solution. I've spoken to TSR and I know they recommend making your own from the subframe of the Subaru - not the BEST solution.
To make a well-engineered mounting system you need to ensure that the engine and box are at the right height when installed, aren't twisted in the vehicle and are in line longitudinally. Ideally this needs a jig as you can line all of this up and then when it's welded up the distortion will pull your carefully aligned frame out of true.
Basically fitting up an engine using an adaptor plate will provide you with a very large number of substantial challenges and the opportunity to get a large number of things wrong, which could result in your vehicle running less than optimally, or worse still simply not being safe.
I'm sure other people will be busily running me down to you (and anyone else who will listen) and telling you I know very little etc etc, whether you pay them any mind is up to you.
Take for instance your KEP plate as sold by TSR, which IIRC be installed with a welded flywheel rather than a milled one. Has this been burst tested? How thoroughly have the welds been crack-tested? It'll probably be OK, but why buy a solution like that when you can buy a UK made bellhousing that enables you to use almost all stock VW/Subaru parts in the highly stressed clutch area?
Another issue with adaptor plates is the problem introduced by moving the engine away from the gearbox. In one noteable solution two thrust bearings are welded together and to make the adaptor plate fit bits of a diesel bellhousing must be chiselled off.
Probably the single largest issue surrounding an engine mounted on an adaptor plate is actually making the mounting system for the engine. Unless you have very comprehensive mikanikal nolidge and spend the time to develop a correctly engineered engine mounting solution. I've spoken to TSR and I know they recommend making your own from the subframe of the Subaru - not the BEST solution.
To make a well-engineered mounting system you need to ensure that the engine and box are at the right height when installed, aren't twisted in the vehicle and are in line longitudinally. Ideally this needs a jig as you can line all of this up and then when it's welded up the distortion will pull your carefully aligned frame out of true.
Basically fitting up an engine using an adaptor plate will provide you with a very large number of substantial challenges and the opportunity to get a large number of things wrong, which could result in your vehicle running less than optimally, or worse still simply not being safe.
I'm sure other people will be busily running me down to you (and anyone else who will listen) and telling you I know very little etc etc, whether you pay them any mind is up to you.
Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 19:26
Now if you'd said that the first time round, rather than a sharp pointless remark, I'd have left it well alone...
MG
MG
Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 20:50
Thats good - you're both playing the game
Posted: 17 Nov 2005, 21:06
Posted: 20 Nov 2005, 10:27
[quote="Diamond Hell"]
Take for instance your KEP plate as sold by TSR, I've spoken to TSR and I know they recommend making your own from the subframe of the Subaru - not the BEST solution.
[quote]
just like to say tsr DONT use a kep plate,and can you explain your reasoning for adaption of the subaru engine carrier/subframe not being the BEST solution.
cheers for any replies
Take for instance your KEP plate as sold by TSR, I've spoken to TSR and I know they recommend making your own from the subframe of the Subaru - not the BEST solution.
[quote]
just like to say tsr DONT use a kep plate,and can you explain your reasoning for adaption of the subaru engine carrier/subframe not being the BEST solution.
cheers for any replies