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Smoother without the lambda probe....

Posted: 09 Nov 2010, 16:27
by youde4
I've read many topics about the lambda probes and what not, and read that the engine wont run right without it plugged in (2.1 MV), however after some problems a few months back with running issues (lack of acceleration etc) i decided to unplug it and it ran much better without it. Its been disconnected for a few months now without any issues. (lambda was newish at the rime)

So, my question is why is it ok when everyone on here says it wont work without it? Surely an ecu this old wont have a safe mode? If anything theres a slight bit of hesitation with the first bit of revs but cant remember what it was like when all was running sweetly when i first bought it. It is rather gutless atm but i think that's due to the 205 80 16 MT's on it,

Anyone got any ideas because i think ill just leave it disconnected.....

Re: Smoother without the lambda probe....

Posted: 09 Nov 2010, 16:43
by jed the spread
If its disconnected it will go into Limp Mode and you will get really rubbish MPG for starters. Put a Diesel in, that will sort out your problems

jed

Re: Smoother without the lambda probe....

Posted: 09 Nov 2010, 17:08
by toomanytoys
Oh shut up Jed.......

It will default to running richer to protect the cat and engine.. the ecu will default to the safe side on all adjustments it can make
any air leaks in the exhaust will cause poor running with lambda connected as its constantly trying to adjust to an incorrect reading.. any other fualts or missadjustments will not help either..
Aidan will prob be along with some good tips too as he has had a few running issues to sort in the past on the MV

Yes the 205r16 tyres will blunt the performance somewhat depending on what gearing you have....

Re: Smoother without the lambda probe....

Posted: 10 Nov 2010, 22:22
by jason k
why not replace the dodgy sensor?

Re: Smoother without the lambda probe....

Posted: 10 Nov 2010, 23:32
by syncrosimon
When you disconnect the lambda the ecu works like a DJ where the ecu uses look up tables to determine the fueling without the self correcting abilities of the lambda.

You will have a problem somewhere in the system and you need to trouble shoot the whole thing. Obvious faults indicate lambda shield wire grounding, spark plugs and wire faults, and coil faults.

Some suggestions here.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewto ... da&start=0

and here.
http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van/page_8 ... _tool.html

And download a copy of the pro training manual from here to work through the system.

http://www.westfaliat3.info/html/westfa ... loads.html

Re: Smoother without the lambda probe....

Posted: 11 Nov 2010, 12:59
by youde4
It turned out that the sensor was a universal one and did not work well, i put the original back in that was supposedly nakered and it ran smooth. No flat spot any more, but mpg and performance wise id say it was no different to when it was unplugged.

Re: Smoother without the lambda probe....

Posted: 11 Nov 2010, 23:52
by Simon Baxter
We have had lots of problems with universal type lambda sensors.
We use Beru, but Bosch are also good (if you discount that you can wrap the lead 3 times around the van!)