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Hi All

Have run through the figures on Gasure's site and now realize that I could be quids in within 12-18 months if I use the wagen more than the daily driver - I can, so why not?

Question is: since the van is not fitted out yet, what's the point of buying a refillable Gaslow bottle that has to be binned after 10-15 years or whenever if the new appliances can be tee'd off the LPG supply to the engine?

Take two tanks into the camper? Not if I can help it.

Sensible answers always welcome!

silverbullet wrote: Sensible answers always welcome!

Phone Steve Shaw (don't forget to mention my name ... see if I can get any commission )

Ian

I think this has been covered before but basically LPG road fuel comes out of the tank as a luquid. Where as leisure gas comes out as gas. Therefor an lpg tank has to have a special take of to accomodate leisure gas. Its not just as simple as teeing off the existing supply.

Plus if you were to arrange to use the LPG tank for cooking ( and I believe it can be done ) if you run out of LPG ( say you cannot find an LPG station on the way to a camp ) you cannot cook ! Anyway a 907 bottle costs us around £20 and lasts most of the "season".

I would go for the LPG mate

I never looked back.
No downside I can find.
1/2 price fuelling.
Paid for itself in 8 months for me. (4 years ago).

I've just been looking at Tinley Tech's website and there is a twin liquid/vapour tank available, but I see the point about running out of gas.
Worse would be half-fried bacon & egg and the dreaded realization that you are now stranded...
Would keep a small petrol tank I think.
DIY - worth the hassle or pay the money for a pro fit and set-up? Don't fancy mapping an ecu myself.

silverbullet wrote: Would keep a small petrol tank I think.

Oh yes, keep the standard tank I say !

You will find yourself out of range of an LPG station from time to time !

silverbullet wrote: DIY - worth the hassle or pay the money for a pro fit and set-up? Don't fancy mapping an ecu myself.

I would get a pro job, certainly helps with the insurance Co when you can show them the certificate that comes with a Pro job.

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silverbullet wrote:I've just been looking at Tinley Tech's website and there is a twin liquid/vapour tank available, but I see the point about running out of gas.
Worse would be half-fried bacon & egg and the dreaded realization that you are now stranded...
Would keep a small petrol tank I think.
DIY - worth the hassle or pay the money for a pro fit and set-up? Don't fancy mapping an ecu myself.

Don't mess about with LPG unless you really know what you're doing would be my advice.

Get in touch with Gasure.

silverbullet wrote:I've just been looking at Tinley Tech's website and there is a twin liquid/vapour tank available, but I see the point about running out of gas.
Worse would be half-fried bacon & egg and the dreaded realization that you are now stranded...
Would keep a small petrol tank I think.
DIY - worth the hassle or pay the money for a pro fit and set-up? Don't fancy mapping an ecu myself.

You'll want to be fitting a multipoint system to your EJ engine. Some (if not all?) of these sytems start and run on petrol until the coolant is warmish. The ECU then auto switches to gas. It needs to do this so the vapouriser has some warmth in it. So you'll have to retain a petrol tank. Thes biggest worry I have is running out of petrol not gas, because then I would be stuck.
As for mapping, the piggy back ecu will map itself. It takes a signal from the petrol injectors and the ignition circuit, it monitors the pulse times etc, adjusts the signal for gas then sends the signal to the gas injecetors. Takes about 10 minutes to set up with a laptop.
I used this system. http://www.hytekautogas.co.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I spoke to him first he was helpful.
I did fit it myself to save cost, but I do work with vehicles anyway and I followed then LPGA guidance. Its not a job for the light hearted because you have to drill holes in you manifold / van and cut into your loom etc but if you can complete an engine conversion that may not phase you. There are people who will certificate it if done properly. I had no problem with my insurance. If you have any doubts about what you are doing, then don't mess, get it done properly.
I have slight loss in power on LPG but not enough to worry me, because it has run without fault for more than 18 months at 50p a litre.

You still have your normal petrol tank, hopefully with some fuel sloshing around to keep it from rusting (more than normal anyway). You're supposed to do a few miles on petrol every month to lubricate and check the system should you need it in an emergency.

Gasure used to do the larger tanks with dual engine and leisure take-offs (not sure what he fits now) ... I wish we'd had the foresight to have one of those in the first place but we didn't.


The carb 1.9s and 2.1s don't need to start on petrol, I believe the 2.1injections are normally set up to start on petrol but can be swapped to run on gas straight away. Can't comment on the Subaru exotica.

For ALL lpg requirements you need to speak to the man.

Ian.

Thanks for all the advice, I know that I'll be quids in soon enough. Just a bit daunted by having a clean sheet of a bus to fit out and never done this before. Probably thinking too hard about it all. Kids more bothered about getting the poptop fitted and I keep having good ideas!

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Well ghost 123uk, the first bit is my wagen. 1990 SA import (not by me) Subaru EJ22 (not by me either)
Been re-working it ever since I handed over the cash in May!
Second bit with www is what I do to scratch an existance. Give us a call.
We'll do almost anything if it needs machining/rebuilding/repairing.