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Steering Knuckle replacement

Posted: 29 May 2019, 17:53
by vitesse
Hi everyone,

First post.

Does anyone know where a new steering knuckle/stub axle (N/S) might be sourced for my recently acquired 1988 1.9 DG? The threads for the hub nut appear to have had a hard life, probably from someone applying brute force without first tapping up the peening on the nut. I think there is enough serviceable thread left to make it secure but I am worried that replacements don't seem to be available. That may be because I don't know where to look being fairly new to this.

Thanks,

Andy.

Re: Steering Knuckle replacement

Posted: 29 May 2019, 18:09
by multisi
How much good thread is still there ?

Re: Steering Knuckle replacement

Posted: 29 May 2019, 19:43
by vitesse
I should have taken a photo. Without taking it apart again to look I would say that about 5mm or about half a dozen threads are still ok. Roughly the portion from the thrust washer to where the peening slots start. However I'm also not sure what a new one would look like , were they threaded right to the end or did they taper off?

Re: Steering Knuckle replacement

Posted: 29 May 2019, 20:19
by Oldiebut goodie
That's all there is and needed ( the nut isn't very thick if you look at it - about 6 thread widths):
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Re: Steering Knuckle replacement

Posted: 29 May 2019, 20:40
by vitesse
Thanks very much for that reassurance. I would still like to know where to start looking for a replacement if I ever needed one in the future. If there are no reproduction items I suppose we are reduced to second-hand ones. So far I haven't been able to find any.

Re: Steering Knuckle replacement

Posted: 29 May 2019, 22:29
by crazyhorse
When i needed one i just put an ad in the wanted section here. Got one within a few days

Re: Steering Knuckle replacement

Posted: 30 May 2019, 06:19
by itchyfeet
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Re: Steering Knuckle replacement

Posted: 30 May 2019, 07:51
by Oldiebut goodie
I make it 4 threads wide on that one! Even less than the 6 on my nut.

Re: Steering Knuckle replacement

Posted: 30 May 2019, 08:06
by vitesse
Maybe mine isn't so bad after all! I'm surprised VW didn't engineer this a little more robustly considering how much depends on it. If you lose the remaining few threads then your van is off the road.It's also good to know that a wanted advert might bear fruit. However, second hand items may also have had a lot of wear. Thanks for all the replies, a good experience for my first time on this forum.

Re: Steering Knuckle replacement

Posted: 30 May 2019, 11:30
by itchyfeet
hang on are we just taking about loss of thread where the slot is or loss of thread all around?

loss of thread only where the slot is won't make it fail

Re: Steering Knuckle replacement

Posted: 30 May 2019, 20:32
by vitesse
I'll have another look and possibly send a photo of the threads when I change the bearings in a few days time. At present I'm in the middle of fuel line replacements.

Re: Steering Knuckle replacement

Posted: 31 May 2019, 09:29
by shepster
Don't forget it's the actual taper that's holding it all together.

Imagine a pillar drill, there's no nut holding the chuck in place, just the taper.

Re: Steering Knuckle replacement

Posted: 31 May 2019, 13:03
by Oldiebut goodie
Same as when one screws a shelf support to a wall, people think that it is the screw that bears the weight whereas it is the friction between the wall and support that keeps it up.

Re: Steering Knuckle replacement

Posted: 31 May 2019, 14:21
by tobydog
shepster wrote:Don't forget it's the actual taper that's holding it all together.
Is that correct?

Re: Steering Knuckle replacement

Posted: 03 Jun 2019, 22:31
by WP1
Hi sorry for picky first post :) but just noticed that there is some dangerous confusion in this thread...

Taper fits are often used where a fixed hub attaches to a driveshaft or similar, the two parts being required to rotate together (usually a puller is used to remove this type of hub & the nut seats the taper when tightened).

In this instance however (T25 front wheels) the hub is free to rotate about the stub axle on taper roller bearings - nothing to do with interference fits ...the tapered section of the stub axle is only there as a smooth blend between the two different sized parallel diameters on which the bearings seat. It is not in any contact with the hub.

The assembly is located axially by the nut and washer! If you were to try driving with the nuts removed the only thing stopping the wheel moving sideways/off would be the brake pads, things would get messy pretty quickly!