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Multivan bed in caravelle

Posted: 13 Jul 2016, 12:46
by xdelboyx
Hi guys,
I know the multivan bed is slightly narrower but I am buying one from a member on here.
Any pointers on how I go about fitting it into my lovely velle?
Many thanks.

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Re: Multivan bed in caravelle

Posted: 13 Jul 2016, 12:52
by multisi
Are you getting the backrest lock pin brackets with the seat bed.

Re: Multivan bed in caravelle

Posted: 13 Jul 2016, 13:27
by xdelboyx
multisi wrote:Are you getting the backrest lock pin brackets with the seat bed.
Yes it comes with all the original fittings.

Re: Multivan bed in caravelle

Posted: 13 Jul 2016, 13:36
by tforturton
All the bolt holes should already be there - the important thing is that you have the correct locking pins (for the rear seat rest). If they're too short to reach the seat, then they're the wrong ones. You'll also have gaps at either side, but it sounds like you know that already.

Re: Multivan bed in caravelle

Posted: 13 Jul 2016, 13:56
by xdelboyx
tforturton wrote:All the bolt holes should already be there - the important thing is that you have the correct locking pins (for the rear seat rest). If they're too short to reach the seat, then they're the wrong ones. You'll also have gaps at either side, but it sounds like you know that already.
Cool thanks man I was hoping it was a bolt in affair.

Re: Multivan bed in caravelle

Posted: 13 Jul 2016, 15:31
by multisi
tforturton wrote:All the bolt holes should already be there - the important thing is that you have the correct locking pins (for the rear seat rest). If they're too short to reach the seat, then they're the wrong ones. You'll also have gaps at either side, but it sounds like you know that already.
Only the bolt holes for the rock and roll mechanism are there. The back rest lock pin set up is not in place for a multivan seat/bed. There are three set ups for seats or rock and roll beds. The one you have is standard minibus/caravelle. Another for full width rock and roll and for multivan width there is another. The back rest lock pin brackets are welded in to the side of the van just below the window. Take the original trim cards off and have a look you will see the bracket your 3 seater lock pin goes into, you need another one of those and a bracket to bring the lock pin closer to the multivan seat/bed. Do you have these brackets and pins ?

Re: Multivan bed in caravelle

Posted: 13 Jul 2016, 16:13
by xdelboyx
It does come with all the fixings and I can see in the image it has some square box looking things with threads for the pins to screw into I am hoping these are the spacers for the pins

Re: Multivan bed in caravelle

Posted: 13 Jul 2016, 17:42
by Jim San
I think what the past above is trying to tell you is that the locating pond for the back rest screw into a black Bracket which is welded into the body, you'll l probably not be getting those with the bed. You'll need to buy some 3mm strip about 45 mm wide and weld some captive nuts to it and tack it into position. Be very careful about getting positron correct. I did it then i fitted rest of interior and seat wouldn't go back far enough. It's really easy to do, it just needs to be in correct place

Re: Multivan bed in caravelle

Posted: 13 Jul 2016, 19:14
by multisi
xdelboyx wrote:It does come with all the fixings and I can see in the image it has some square box looking things with threads for the pins to screw into I am hoping these are the spacers for the pins
Those square box things,you should have 4 are for the rnr mechanism, they screw into the side of the van. Then the mechanism bolts onto the square brackets. I can give you measurements for the backrest pin brackets and a photo .

Re: Multivan bed in caravelle

Posted: 13 Jul 2016, 19:20
by xdelboyx
multisi wrote:
xdelboyx wrote:It does come with all the fixings and I can see in the image it has some square box looking things with threads for the pins to screw into I am hoping these are the spacers for the pins
Those square box things,you should have 4 are for the rnr mechanism, they screw into the side of the van. Then the mechanism bolts onto the square brackets. I can give you measurements for the backrest pin brackets and a photo .
That would be great if you could thanks.
I really don't wanna f@ck it up.
As it is a caravelle I already have some backrest brackets in place with the pins already I know the other bed is narrower but will these not be usable if they were extended?

Re: Multivan bed in caravelle

Posted: 13 Jul 2016, 19:24
by xdelboyx
multisi wrote:
tforturton wrote:All the bolt holes should already be there - the important thing is that you have the correct locking pins (for the rear seat rest). If they're too short to reach the seat, then they're the wrong ones. You'll also have gaps at either side, but it sounds like you know that already.
Only the bolt holes for the rock and roll mechanism are there. The back rest lock pin set up is not in place for a multivan seat/bed. There are three set ups for seats or rock and roll beds. The one you have is standard minibus/caravelle. Another for full width rock and roll and for multivan width there is another. The back rest lock pin brackets are welded in to the side of the van just below the window. Take the original trim cards off and have a look you will see the bracket your 3 seater lock pin goes into, you need another one of those and a bracket to bring the lock pin closer to the multivan seat/bed. Do you have these brackets and pins ?

I am guessing it does not have those brackets or pins but I will ask when I pick it up.
I am buying it from vanagonvanagon on here aka frank.
A friend has dealt with him a few times and he is a good guy I believe

Re: Multivan bed in caravelle

Posted: 13 Jul 2016, 19:27
by xdelboyx
Multisi

Any help and measurements etc would be fantastic.
I have access to a welder and my dad (retired) was a welder fabricator his whole life so he will be enlisted 8)

Re: Multivan bed in caravelle

Posted: 16 Jul 2016, 12:24
by multisi
Plastic side removedImage

Re: Multivan bed in caravelle

Posted: 16 Jul 2016, 12:37
by multisi
Removed bed and plastic side on my factory multivan to show you bracket set up. The measurements are sliding door side, C post edge to pin centre 615 mm. Boot floor with factory sound proofing to pin centre 372 mm. Other side B post to pin centre 1765 mm . The middle bracket the pin goes in is 21 mm deep, 32 mm high and 80 mm long. If you have factory window van with seat pin bracket the multivan pin centre is 80 mm forward of caravelle seat pin centre.

Re: Multivan bed in caravelle

Posted: 16 Jul 2016, 18:32
by xdelboyx
multisi wrote:Removed bed and plastic side on my factory multivan to show you bracket set up. The measurements are sliding door side, C post edge to pin centre 615 mm. Boot floor with factory sound proofing to pin centre 372 mm. Other side B post to pin centre 1765 mm . The middle bracket the pin goes in is 21 mm deep, 32 mm high and 80 mm long. If you have factory window van with seat pin bracket the multivan pin centre is 80 mm forward of caravelle seat pin centre.
Wow I hope you didn't do all that just to show me these I feel guilty now!
Many thanks multisi that's awesome thank you
I do have a caravelle so I should just move the pin forward towards the windscreen 80mm?